Brother Caleb Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I just cracked open the second omnibus, and I'm pretty bummed that King split Ragnar and Sven. I would almost prefer that he died at the end of Grey Hunter when Maddox cut off his hand and ran him through, and Sven tried choke him with his good hand. It was just the sort of defiant death that would've suited him. But as it is, he survived only for Ragnar, and the audience, to be sent off to Terra. This is not a critique of King's writing, storytelling, or even this story arc. In fact, it's something of a praise that attached to a character. I would almost prefer to follow Sven around instead, lol. End of rant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I just cracked open the second omnibus, and I'm pretty bummed that King split Ragnar and Sven. I would almost prefer that he died at the end of Grey Hunter when Maddox cut off his hand and ran him through, and Sven tried choke him with his good hand. It was just the sort of defiant death that would've suited him. But as it is, he survived only for Ragnar, and the audience, to be sent off to Terra. This is not a critique of King's writing, storytelling, or even this story arc. In fact, it's something of a praise that attached to a character. I would almost prefer to follow Sven around instead, lol. End of rant. My complaint with the second half of the series is that it feels scattered. There's a very strong unifying theme (and a set of characters that goes along with it) in the first half. The second half is much more anecdotal, and less cohesive. Part of this is probably the writer switch. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarul Greystalker Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I think leaving Sven behind is a way to make the reader miss Fenris as much as Ragnar does. We feel very attached to him as a character, so when Ragnar has to leave Berek's Great Company to join the Wolfblade, we actually have a sense of loss instead of just regarding it as another step towards Ragnar's eventual ascension. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Caleb Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 I think leaving Sven behind is a way to make the reader miss Fenris as much as Ragnar does. We feel very attached to him as a character, so when Ragnar has to leave Berek's Great Company to join the Wolfblade, we actually have a sense of loss instead of just regarding it as another step towards Ragnar's eventual ascension. Agreed. I just wanted to vent a bit. Sven's by far my favorite character. I'd put Ranek at a close second. Though, I haven't finished the series, so this may change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 So you haven't met the Mighty Haegr?! hehe Cheer up though, Sven does return in a later book. And he has become quite the meltagun toting badass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Caleb Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 So you haven't met the Mighty Haegr?! hehe Cheer up though, Sven does return in a later book. And he has become quite the meltagun toting badass. HUZZAH! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I enjoyed wolfblade It does however get worse unfortunately Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. They don't it says it in one of the books Berek is known as thunderfist because of his use of a power fist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Caleb Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. Actually they don't, at least according to King. In Grey Hunter, he explains that Berek gets his name from the bionic fist mounted onto his arm that emits electrical pulses across its surface. Edit: This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. They don't it says it in one of the books Berek is known as thunderfist because of his use of a power fist Sneaky. Was it a powerfist? Perhaps I misunderstood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Maybe it is just a cybernetic one but I knew it was because of his fist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Well I still found it a little strange, that Ragnar came from the Thunderfists and his predessecor was known as the Thunderfist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2464986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan230 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 So did everybody else mate lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2465037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Good, I wasn't the only one :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2465073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dcxiii Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Good, I wasn't the only one B) Nah, I thought that was strange too! Thought it was a tiny bit of a plot hole. I was gutted King stopped writing them, though having done a bit of research there is another one I haven't read... will have to get on it! Did anyone else notice that in the books, Ragnar is the thinking man's Space Wolf, whereas in the Fluff he is sposed to be some glory-hungry idiot with "Insane Bravado"? Oh well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2465639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenguard2010 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 I think the difference between Ragnar’s depiction in codex fluff etc as the impetuous, glory-hungry wolf, and his presentation in the novels is even perhaps a good thing.. The tales of his reckless bravado at the Fang are bound to get slightly exaggerated from account to account, no matter how thoroughly the scalds, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Rune Priests, memorize them. The novels help us to see his human side, his military prowess, and that some of his more questionable choices were often based in the desperation of the moment. Back when I was a kid I used to collect Space Wolves, and I gathered about 2000 pts of Ragnar’s Great Company. Looking back on it, I would put this choice of Wolf Lord squarely down to having read Bill King’s Space Wolf. I’m pretty sure if King had presented a two dimensional, glory-hungry cub, then I wouldn’t have bothered with Ragnar at all.. The presentation in the novels also allows us to engage with a much more interesting character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2465662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. Actually they don't, at least according to King. In Grey Hunter, he explains that Berek gets his name from the bionic fist mounted onto his arm that emits electrical pulses across its surface. Edit: This might be a well known coincedence, but I noticed just now that Ragnar and Berek both came from the same Fenrisian Tribe; the Thunderfists. They don't it says it in one of the books Berek is known as thunderfist because of his use of a power fist Sneaky. Was it a powerfist? Perhaps I misunderstood. His cybernetic replacement is a powerfist, at least that's what I got from Grey Hunter. The fact that he survived a toe-to-toe encounter with Khârn and ONLY lost a hand is pretty significant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2465911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dcxiii Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I think the difference between Ragnar’s depiction in codex fluff etc as the impetuous, glory-hungry wolf, and his presentation in the novels is even perhaps a good thing.. The tales of his reckless bravado at the Fang are bound to get slightly exaggerated from account to account, no matter how thoroughly the scalds, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Rune Priests, memorize them. The novels help us to see his human side, his military prowess, and that some of his more questionable choices were often based in the desperation of the moment. Back when I was a kid I used to collect Space Wolves, and I gathered about 2000 pts of Ragnar’s Great Company. Looking back on it, I would put this choice of Wolf Lord squarely down to having read Bill King’s Space Wolf. I’m pretty sure if King had presented a two dimensional, glory-hungry cub, then I wouldn’t have bothered with Ragnar at all.. The presentation in the novels also allows us to engage with a much more interesting character. That is a good point. I collected about 2,000 pts of Space Wolves, even if I never used the Ragnar special character, although I bought the model and painted him up. Now that I'm thinking of getting back into the hobby, it's the front cover of the original Space Wolf book, that I think I might base my miniatures' colour scheme on, whether I use the Codex SW or SM rules, I have yet to decide! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2467145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I think the difference between Ragnar’s depiction in codex fluff etc as the impetuous, glory-hungry wolf, and his presentation in the novels is even perhaps a good thing.. The tales of his reckless bravado at the Fang are bound to get slightly exaggerated from account to account, no matter how thoroughly the scalds, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Rune Priests, memorize them. The novels help us to see his human side, his military prowess, and that some of his more questionable choices were often based in the desperation of the moment. Back when I was a kid I used to collect Space Wolves, and I gathered about 2000 pts of Ragnar’s Great Company. Looking back on it, I would put this choice of Wolf Lord squarely down to having read Bill King’s Space Wolf. I’m pretty sure if King had presented a two dimensional, glory-hungry cub, then I wouldn’t have bothered with Ragnar at all.. The presentation in the novels also allows us to engage with a much more interesting character. As you note, this dichotemy usually well handled in the books. As a commander, Ragnar is usually very calm and collected, especially among Wolf Lords, who tend to be hot-blooded types. When he is pulled into the melee of battle, however, he acts much more on instinct, and takes tactical risks that he himself might not approve of on a strategic level. Personally, I thought this depiction really works. He's smart enough to know that charging into enemy fire is stupid, so he doesn't order his men to do it, but he's enough of al Space Wolf to occasionally get carried away and do it himself anyway (and he's sufficiently badass to survive his crazy stunts). -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206589-ragnar-and-sven/#findComment-2467380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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