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[Hyaenidae]

Hundreds of pre-pubesent kids knocking the hell out of each other would make quite the series of sounds, echoing throughout the dojo's. A thousand strikes. whapwhapwhap, ad infinitum.

[ChaplainIktinos]

Good enough reason....uhhhh should their be a new thread for home world?

[Hyaenidae]

I'm on the fence on this one. Anyone else?

[Octavulg]

New thread? No. Unless I'm missing something, you're still talking about the same Chapter.

[Hyaenidae]

I think he just means size wise. This is gonna be a big thread, after all. Anyhoo, since we have a basic understanding of our home planet, and it's culture, what's next? Chapter organization? Fortress-monestary-zen garden? Basic mission of the chapter?

[Shinzaren]

Just make sure you update the first post with what has been done so far, as well as recapping throughout the pages as we finish stuff.

[Hyaenidae]

Alright, this is what we got so far. We are using the Star Dragons colors, and basing their theme on a martial arts / shaolin scheme. 'Strength through Focus, Focus through Battle, Battle in the name of the Emperor.' Although hand to hand combat is treasured, the bolter / blade is treated with equal respect as an extension of one's self. Extreme disciple is enforced, an economy of movement to strike down a foe and move to the next quickly and efficiently. Companies are named clans, the clans named after the forms of martial arts each practices. Otherwise, they follow the codex astartes in organization.

 

The home planet consists of feudal warriors living upon a string of islands, wracked by huge storms and tsunami's. Each island is run by a daimyo, who controls the city-states. Each island is locked in endless honourable duels, fueled by centuries of blood-debt. The Star Dragons themselves stay semi-aloof from their planet, showing up during 'The Night of One Thousand Strikes' to carry away the brightest, most disciplined pre-pubesent males to the sky to begin the long road to becoming astartes.

 

If I missed anything, or added something accidentely, let me know and I'll edit.

[Shinzaren]

Perhaps each of the 6 line companies practices a unique form and style, and only recruit from the warriors of the planet who practice the same style? Much like Salamanders recruit from specific settlements? The 1st company could be a mix of masters of all different styles, who are experience veterans and such. The 8th, 9th, and 10th companies could all be a mix of styles who are training until they are accepted into the company that practices their style?

[Hyaenidae]

I was thinking along the same lines myself, good call. I'd say the 8th and 9th could fall under the same though, the Dev's woulkd be perfect with tai chi (beautiful, sweeping waves of fire, each shot perfectly calculated), the Assaults would be perfect with Muay Thai (full body used in striking + forearms and shins sheathed in adamantium = crunchcrunchcrunch). The 10th would still need to stay the same as other chapters, unless someone has a good idea

[Shinzaren]

Yeah, but you have to remember, martial arts as we know them now probably don't exist. So instead of calling them by our names, we'll have to use descriptions.

 

Muay Thai- 8th Co. practices a form of martial arts that involves rapid strikes and crushing blows, incorporating the elbows and knees to become a full body weapon.

 

Tai Chi- 9th Co. practices a form of martial arts that involves flowing motions and full control of one's body, giving them excellent weapon control, and concentration.

 

Ju-Jitsu- ?th Co. practices a martial art that incorporates many throws and holds, allow them to dominate and control their opponents.

 

Etc etc.

[Hyaenidae]

Oh, I know, I was just using some forms we know as a reference point. Should've said so, my fault. We're on the same page, I promise. ;)

[Shinzaren]

Haha, alright. I'll start drawing up a list of each martial art and a description, and we can get other people to weigh in on what they think each company should use. I'll try and draw up like 15 or so different martial arts. Unless anybody else wants to.

[Hyaenidae]

On that note, for our armour assets...I would like to suggest kyudo as a reference, the japanese martial archery form. 'According to the Nippon Kyudo Federation the supreme goal of kyūdō is the state of shin-zen-bi, roughly "truth-goodness-beauty", which can be approximated as: when archers shoot correctly (i.e. truthfully) with virtuous spirit and attitude toward all persons and all things which relate to kyūdō (i.e. with goodness), beautiful shooting is realized naturally.' Roughly, one shot, one kill, very pretty. Seems like it would fit well with armour and our chapter's outlook on control and discipline. Edited July 30, 2010 by 1000heathens

[ChaplainIktinos]

Huhah tenth company ninjutsu! The japanese ninja art of stealth and deception!as it seems we are moving into fuedal japan territory with daimyos and what not

[Hyaenidae]

I'd like to add structure and martial arts of all of eastern asia, mandarian, japanese, thai, etc. in the long run. ninjitsu would be good for the 10th though.

[ChaplainIktinos]

Any room for kung fu and the art of fighting without fighting

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

I think he just means size wise.

 

The reason it's getting so ruddy large is because you're treating the thread like an Instant Messenger or other similar fast-paced conversational medium. It's not.

 

If you want to cut down on the amount of pages people are going to be forced to wade through in order to get any information on the chapter or the development process it's been through I'd recommend slowing down on the posting.

 

Fit more information and ideas into the same post rather than posting tidbits and random brainstorming that split between another ten.

 

Basically, calm down, think more and talk less.

[Argon]

I'd like to add structure and martial arts of all of eastern asia, mandarian, japanese, thai, etc. in the long run. ninjitsu would be good for the 10th though.

 

A few moments on Wikipedia reveals the following:

 

There are 17 styles of martial arts from China, 22 from Japan (including Okinawan ), 10 from Korea, 1 from Thailand, Laos, and Indonesia and two from Cambodia, Burma and Vietnam.

 

Many of these (such as Pradal Surey and Muay Thai off the top of my head) are extremely similar. A number of the Japanese styles focus on a certain weapon such as Naginatajutsu. Then we've got ones that we can't really use like Sumo or Aikido.

 

If I were you, I'd pick a number of different styles and just use those. Personally, I would think about taking styles from other places and adding in certain elements. Why just use Muay Thai when you could use Muay Thai with a bit of Pankration thrown in? If it works for Batman, it should work for these guys.

[ChaplainIktinos]

so what are we working on.... martial art styles of the companies? After that shouldnt we work on combat doctrine or vice versa?

[Shinzaren]

So, citing an individual martial art for each company, explaining it, and then explaining why they use is going into too much detail I think. I think we've nailed the wide view. Each company has their own martial style. That's all we need it for. Focus now should be on something else, combat doctrine perhaps. Iktinos, if you would be so kind as to EDIT your first post in the thread, so that new people can be kept up to date, without wading through every single post.

 

What we know:

 

Name: Star Dragons

 

Basic Belief: Strength Through Focus. Focus Through Battle. Battle in the Name of the Emperor. Each and every Star Dragon believes that the best way to serve the Emperor is to perfect their skills and focus their minds. They view Battle as the ultimate forge for such tests, striving to defeat the enemies of the Emperor as efficiently as possible, never losing focus. They view the weapons they wield as extensions of their own bodies, and strive to master them as they strive to master themselves.

 

Home Planet: Feudal Age planet, covered almost entirely by water, with island chains that are each ruled by a semi-independent clan. Constant storms and typhoons ravage the world, and the few calm moments are filled with battles. Honor duels are common, as a high priority is placed on marital skill, and it allows blood debts to be paid, sans the blood. However, true battles often take place as well, as competition over the resources and land would be fierce during the non-storm periods. (We didn't discuss this, but it makes sense, similar to Fenris) Discipline is highly enforced, with each warrior/clan member striving to attain physical and mental perfection through their martial art.

 

Recruitment: "Night of One Thousand Strikes" The Clans send their finest students(all children)to a designated Isle, most likely the home of a temple order, or something similar, where they do battle. The Star Dragons recruit the most promising from this night of combat.

 

 

On a personal note, you should stay away from Ninjitsu for the Scout company. Yes they are sneaky, but they are also the talent pool for the rest of the Chapter, and should therefore each practice their own martial art, one that complies with the other companies. The 10th would be an eclectic mix of styles, with only the Sergeants and permanent command staff having a unified martial art, which could be Ninjutsu.

Edited August 2, 2010 by Shinzaren

[ChaplainIktinos]

it will take me little while to update the first post with this because all of my post are done by a phone but i will.

[Shinzaren]

Ok, so should we start on the Organization bit? Everyone's kinda taken some down time, but I think its time we get back to this, albeit with fresh eyes and minds :cuss

 

We had discussed each company following their own style of martial arts, with the 1st and 10th company using an eclectic mix of styles. 1st would be a gathering of the veterans and heroes of the companies, and would therefore be home to masters of of every style. The 10th would be opposite, with a gathering of the novices, all just starting to master their own styles. Sergeants and command staff of the 10th company who are seconded there on a semi-permanent basis could also be trained in a ninjutsu style of martial arts, focusing on stealth and invisibility. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to go into each companies martial art, as it increases the work load, and would only bog down the eventual IA with lots of unnecessary details.

 

With that in mind, aside from their martial arts focus, I would imagine that the Star Dragons follow Codex for organization, with 10 total companies, etc etc. I would imagine that the command staff would earn their position through a combination of charisma, skill, talent, and mastery of their martial art to the highest level? Perhaps they have to do something similar to the 1vs100 match-ups that Karate occasionally features? The candidate has to battle all contenders, as well as a collection of martial arts from their own company and others? I would also think that the Chapter Master's chosen martial art would be favored, almost like an honor for that style? Obviously with the changing of Chapter Masters, different styles would gain the highest honor. Almost an unspoken competition within the chapter to see whose style is most supreme?

[Shinzaren]

D-D-DOUBLE POST!! Edited August 18, 2010 by Shinzaren

[Baxter190]

Well, I the Lexicanum page said the Star Dragon Homeworld is name Draconith, so thats just something everbody should know. I like the idea of the archery as well. Samurai where actually mounter archers, but were more famous as sowrdsmen. Now, how about this for a structure. The first company, personally led by the chapter master, consists of masters of each style of martial arts. Marines start as scouts, where they learn "ninjutsu." After that, they would join the 9th company, and then the 8th company, and so on. They would work their way up through the companies, just like the dark angels do. However, instead of being based on keeping secrets, it is based on mastering that companies martial art style. as they also meditate to achieve zen, another part of being promoted, is by mastering a level of chakra, mastering your chi and yourself so that your closer to zen. The promotion isn't about mastering the martial art, as the martial art is about mastering yourself. Thus, the members of the 1st company are the closest to enlightenment, and the chapter master has reached "zen".

[ChaplainIktinos]

well i edited the post

 

@baxter im pretty sure chakra is fictional.....im pretty educated when i comes to samurai.....