Chalx the grey Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hi everyone! I need some advice, one of my flatmates has (to my delight) been putting together a Tau army during the last months. So far beating him at low point levels has been the norm due to his squishy troops (2 big firewarrior teams and some kroot) and lack of proper support. I run a pretty basic force with a rune priest, grey hunters with WG leaders, a rhino, a couple of dreadnoughts, a vindicator and some long fangs. After some games (I'm basically teaching him) my friend has seen the light and has started packing plasma, melta, AP3 fire and he just got an apocalypse suit which I fear is going to be the bane of my light vehicle based force. Since he talks about getting a second apoc suit, and even two teams, I was wondering if I have any chance in keeping with the mech approach or I'm better going the footslogging way with some bikes and scouts, which I own but currently don't field because they are unpainted? Also I got some shooty terminators, a lone wolf, and a drop pod. Maybe just having the scouts is enough to mess with his deployment without modifying my list so much? I jost got the vindicator painted and I really like how it takes the heat out of my rhino and dreads, but maybe that railgun will prove too deadly... what do you think? We will probably play a 1500 pt game (our biggest so far) this afternoon so any quick feedback will be double appreciated! Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 TWC to get into close combat with him quickly Fen wolves to give your units moving behind them a cover save Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Drop pods. Dreads in drop pods. Bloodclaws in drop pods. Grey Hunters in drop pods. Make sure there are some powerfists in the mix, too. TWC will also be useful. Bottom line is you need to be assaulting against a mega-shooty list, and there's no better way to get up close and personal quickly than a drop pod. You should be able to tear them apart in CC since they're pretty weak, especially if you have three dp dreads in the mix. :D Hope that helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 drop pods are great until he learns Fish of Fury and stacks suits (stealth and crisis) against you and you may never get in arms reach. opt for the bikes and scouts the vindy will make him field rail cannons and at best serve as a distraction, maybe you could could park it on an objective but otherwise its easily avoidable a whirlwind however could prove useful as it could hide from rail cannons and has range 2 rune priests running tempest wrath will really put the screws to suits Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I have to recommend Scouts. I, personally, have never once had a Drop Pod work well against Tau. Not being able to assault the turn you arrive often means being blown up before you can do much of anything. Remember that if you're within Double-tap range but you aren't locked in CC, you're going to take astronomical losses when fighting Tau. If you could make it so that all of your Pods arrived simultaneously, this wouldn't be *so* bad, but necessarily splitting your force in half can be really dangerous. Scouts, however, CAN assault the turn they arrive. Sending a Saga of the Hunter IC along is also fun. If you're playing with Apocalypse units, are you using Spearheads? If so, the Spearhead that lets you Outflank three transports seems like it'd be your friend. TWC will also probably work well. Get a Storm Shield in the squad to protect against the longest-range fire (Rail Cannons, mostly), and then make an 19"-24" charge, skipping right over double-tap range to arrive in CC. A Wolf Lord on a TWM might even be better than a squad of TWC, though he'd probably also be about as expensive. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Thing I hate most about podding especially against something like Tau is the Easy Kill points you are giving away 5 pods is a lot that you are having to make up straight away Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I would not take Dreanoughts. AV 12 v Railgun = Sad Wolf. tl RG. 3/4 to hit 2/6 to glance 1/6 destroy + 4/6 to pen 3/6 to destroy -> 6 + 36 = 42/144 or 29.17% Podding might make it happen, but if he deploys well, you'll not be attacking anything of worth. A Tau list does not have anything that needs a DCCW to hit ~ even Grey Hunters are so far above them, that a Dread is using a lot of points to kill less. Against Tau, LF definitely > Preds. Railguns make a mockery of AV, but Tau don't have volume of fire to carve through a Pack (hopefully in cover). You need to advance on him quickly, which means Rhinos, TWC and screening Fen Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Scouts, to walk in off the able and gank a few of those broadsides, and a whirlwind to sit behind cover and shell his fire warriors to death. I figure GHs with Plasma can handle the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2467766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalx the grey Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 Hey, thanks a lot for your inputs. I went with the scouts, who got a turn 2 charge against a large sniper drone squadron. They died soon after but the backfield disruption was a success. Also I had a droppodding MM dread who miraculously survived the first round of shooting and was able to charge and destroy the stealth suits that had come close to fire him within double dice melta range. He exploded soon after. The vindi attracted a ton of fire but after an inmobilised result he was able to keep firing until the end of the match, with a very nice number of kills. My HQ was Bjorn, who also ended inmobilised but killed a whole firewarrior team (sitting in an objective deep in the Tau deplyment zone) with his godly BS 6 plasma cannon, winning me the game. I've come to love Bjorn just because he let's you have another dread without an HQ slot, I think he's great for light mech lists just for that ability. He's probably not too competitive but it's great for friendly games. MVP was the termie Lone Wolf with TH+SS, who killed the tau commander and crisis bodyguard and also the Apocalypse suit (in turn 6), without losing a wound, and in spite of me forgetting to move him at all in turn 2! Next game I'll definitely try the bikes. I was waiting for a GW second wave including TWC but if it takes too long I'll have some phillipino ones, they look great!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2468129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Logan and Long Fangs with multi-meltas in a pod. They will come down and smash ANYTHING nearby; you can pretty much guarantee two tanks go boom, then next turn if there's anything in range they get tank hunters and something else goes boom. Also pretty effective for instakilling suits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2469864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 But many suits get a 4++ save, and many tau players rely on suits far more then they do tanks... It could be very useful, Im just not sure Multimeltas would be the way to go, or that the two and a half grey hunter squads it costs couldnt do the job just as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2469880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Jolly good! *though my internal blue-man lover died a little :P * I do want to ask a few things and make some observations: Your Pod & Dread. You landed near the SS ~ they are not a very choice target for you to go after. You want to go after Crisis suits, Broadsides and Tanks with your Dread. Your LW belted the Tau, showing that even GH would cream them. All you have to do is get them across the TT ;) +++ I know that your friend is learning, but Tau are hamstrung badly by their Codex. That means they have to work from a smaller menu. Stealth suits and Sniper drones or Gun drones squadrons (bought ones and not the ones that are on Piranhas or in Suit teams) do not make that menu. Links: Tau of War 3++ is the new Black Yes The Truth Hurts These three are the best How Tau sites on the web. Get your buddy to check these out. His power level will be past 9000!!111!!!111! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2469897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 His power level may be high, but all it takes on one strike in the right spot and things will still die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206812-dealing-with-a-tailored-tau-list/#findComment-2469900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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