The Wolf Brothers

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

While very little is known about the Space Wolves only mentioned successor but it is known that they were disbanded and it is rumored that the cause of this was genetic instability (wulfen). It is also mentioned in a number of novels that a few Wolf Brothers deffected to Chaos as well as one Wolf Brother being apart of a Deathwatch kill team, both instances coming from the Ultramarines series.

 

Now if the theories are true that the majority of the chapter devolved into Wulfen chances are those Wulfen would need to be hunted down and it would most likely fall to the Space Wolves to do so. But would it be possible that another chapter would be tasked with hunting the beasts as the lords of Terra would be suspicious that whatever factor caused the fall of the Wolf Brothers may effect the Space Wolves (how little they know ;)).

 

I figured I would post this here at the Fang as it deals with our fallen kin and honour

[phoenix1787]

a wulfen is someone that has taken the leman russ geneseed and hasn't been able to control the wolf within himself therefore transforming into a wulfen,

most of the time they turn is when they are in the chamber where they recieve the geneseed and are killed there and then, but the wolf within can take over you at anytime if you let it you find this out in the space wolf omnibus when ragnar takes the geneseed.

if they do fall to the wolf within outside the fang anyone can kill it or it will kill them

 

wolf bothers correct me if im wrong here but i think im correct

[Grimtooth]

a wulfen is someone that has taken the leman russ geneseed and hasn't been able to control the wolf within himself therefore transforming into a wulfen,

most of the time they turn is when they are in the chamber where they recieve the geneseed and are killed there and then, but the wolf within can take over you at anytime if you let it you find this out in the space wolf omnibus when ragnar takes the geneseed.

if they do fall to the wolf within outside the fang anyone can kill it or it will kill them

 

wolf bothers correct me if im wrong here but i think im correct

 

By Wolf Brothers, the OP is talking about the only 2nd Founding of the Space Wolves. He is asking if when it was determined that they were genetically instable, who was tasked with hunting them down and eliminating them.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

The 13th company are full of Wulfen who come from veterans 10,000 years old. Of course they have been in the Eye for that time period. Even at that Bran Redmaw is believed to have the mark.

[phoenix1787]

a wulfen is someone that has taken the leman russ geneseed and hasn't been able to control the wolf within himself therefore transforming into a wulfen,

most of the time they turn is when they are in the chamber where they recieve the geneseed and are killed there and then, but the wolf within can take over you at anytime if you let it you find this out in the space wolf omnibus when ragnar takes the geneseed.

if they do fall to the wolf within outside the fang anyone can kill it or it will kill them

 

wolf bothers correct me if im wrong here but i think im correct

 

By Wolf Brothers, the OP is talking about the only 2nd Founding of the Space Wolves. He is asking if when it was determined that they were genetically instable, who was tasked with hunting them down and eliminating them.

 

so im not correct then ;)

but am i correct on say that no one was really given the task to kill them though it was if you see one kill it or be killed

[Skirax]

I don't see the point in killing people who still effectively fight for the Imperium. Does the Inquisition kill those affected by the Black Rage; no, the task falls to Astorath, and even then he only does it if they don't die in a battle.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

so im not correct then ;)

but am i correct on say that no one was really given the task to kill them though it was if you see one kill it or be killed

 

It has never been stated how the Wolf Brothers where delt with after the chapter was disbanded. But it has been hinted at that it was due to genetic instability hich as successors of the Space Wolves we can assume means Wulfen. I'm pretty sure the Imperium woulden't want a bunch of super human man beasts running around the galaxy so chances are they would have had most of the chapter hunted down and destroyed as in the books and fluff it has been stated that the Wulfen can only be controled by those such as Wolf Priests, Rune pirests and Wolf Lords.

 

This means that without that controle they would attack anyone, and if they still effectivly faught for the Imperium they woulden't have been disbanded. The question I'm asking is would it have been the SW alone who would have done it or could another chapter have been asigned the duty in order to prevent the potential corruption of the SW since the Wolf Brothers come from the SW.

 

The whole point behind this is because I want to create a chapter of the cursed founding that is themed around classic hollywood monsters (hunting them not becoming them) and of course Wolf Brothers=Wulfen, Knights of Blood=Vampires, Biles Abominations= Frankenstien monster etc.

[whitewolfmxc]

I think the logical way with dealing to the wolf brothers going wulfen is to take them back to the fang and use em as shock troops deploying to different great companies XD

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I think the logical way with dealing to the wolf brothers going wulfen is to take them back to the fang and use em as shock troops deploying to different great companies XD

 

But then why isn't it mentioned that the Space Wolves have a large number of Wulfen shock troops? I mean Brans company is supposed to have alot but not enough to account for an entire chapter, and I believe that the only other force with a significant amount of Wulfen is the 13th.

[Jonny]

Personally I doubt the Imperium would allowed any in a chapter that needed to be disbanded due to mutation to live. I also doubt that in this case it was kept much of a secrete because it would take more that just the Space Wolves order to disband another Marine Chapter without giving proof as to why. In my opinion Space Wolves would have unlikely had much to do with it unless they were the nearest Chapter able to be called into action to cleans our kin. As to fears of the Ecclesiarchy finding out I'm sure I've read they tried to invade Fenris for our "pagan ways" and discovered that rumours of Fenris's defences being only second to Earth's weren't rumours and they decided just to leave us alone. I don't now where I read it but I did a google search and their seem to be a couple others who also have. I would like to find the source before writing the storie down as official fluff but regardless the essence of the story (just leaving us alone) is true, we have shown our loyalty to the Emperor and our talent for war, that keeps us left well alone on its own.

 

-Jonny

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Personally I doubt the Imperium would allowed any in a chapter that needed to be disbanded due to mutation to live. I also doubt that in this case it was kept much of a secrete because it would take more that just the Space Wolves order to disband another Marine Chapter without giving proof as to why. In my opinion Space Wolves would have unlikely had much to do with it unless they were the nearest Chapter able to be called into action to cleans our kin. As to fears of the Ecclesiarchy finding out I'm sure I've read they tried to invade Fenris for our "pagan ways" and discovered that rumours of Fenris's defences being only second to Earth's weren't rumours and they decided just to leave us alone. I don't now where I read it but I did a google search and their seem to be a couple others who also have. I would like to find the source before writing the storie down as official fluff but regardless the essence of the story (just leaving us alone) is true, we have shown our loyalty to the Emperor and our talent for war, that keeps us left well alone on its own.

 

-Jonny

 

I agree that the members of a chapter that was disbanded due to genetic deviation woulden't be allowed to live unless they where screened and found to be free of mutation (what I think happened with the Deathwatch Wolf Brother). I mean Wulfen can only be controled by a select few individuals and if an entire chapters gets to the point where the level of mutation is bad enough that the members can't be controled (or those who are supposed to controle them have mutated themselves) and the chapter is disbanded I doubt that the remnants of that chapter are going to be sent home to Fenris to be used by the Great Companies. And if the chapter is still effectivly fighting for the Imperium then there would have been no reason to disband them in the first place.

 

I am confused about the Ecclesiarchy bit as I'm not sure where that came from? ;) When I was talking about the Space Wolves keeping the curse of the Wulfen a secret I was talking about it being kept a secret from the Imperium in general. What I was wonder is if the Wolf Brothers all fell to the curse of the Wulfen then would it more likely be the Space Wolves who hunt them down to keep the existance of the Wulfen quiet so that the Inquisition woulden't come to suspect the same mutations in the Space Wolves themselves. Or would the Space Wolves stay out of it completly and let another chapter or 2 hunt them so that it seemed like an isolated incident, a fluke that happened solely to the Wolf Brothers.

 

From what you said I think you're saying that the Space Wolves would have stayed out of it unless they absolutly had to participate? And as for the Ecclesiarchy but there is a historical clip in the Space Wolf time line it talks about an Ecclesiarchial task force coming to Fenris in order to investigate rumors of pagan beliefs and where refused permission to even enter Fenrisian space (and I think where shot at) and so returned with a larger fleet and declared war against the SW which they ultimatly gave up on.

[Valerian]

While very little is known about the Space Wolves only mentioned successor but it is known that they were disbanded and it is rumored that the cause of this was genetic instability (wulfen).

 

Although the Wolfbrothers Chapter was known for experiencing genetic instability, the Chapter was never disbanded. Instead, the entire Chapter was lost into the Webway, after having chased after a fleeing Eldar raiding force. The story about the fate of the Wolfbrothers was in a White Dwarf magazine at the time of the release of the 3rd Edition Space Wolves Codex.

 

Valerian

[Skirax]

You're wondering why the Inquisition wouldn't want a bunch of crazed, Chaos-hating, super-Astartes running all about the place? And you say without these leader's guidance, they would start attacking whomever they wished? Have you read the fluff for the 13th? There is almost always a Wolf Priest running around with them, and if not then almost definately a Wolf Lord.

 

They still fight for the Imperium; read Grey Hunter. A load of Wulfen led by Bulveye comes along and saves the day. It's the same as the Death Company, only more feral, less regression.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

While very little is known about the Space Wolves only mentioned successor but it is known that they were disbanded and it is rumored that the cause of this was genetic instability (wulfen).

 

Although the Wolfbrothers Chapter was known for experiencing genetic instability, the Chapter was never disbanded. Instead, the entire Chapter was lost into the Webway, after having chased after a fleeing Eldar raiding force. The story about the fate of the Wolfbrothers was in a White Dwarf magazine at the time of the release of the 3rd Edition Space Wolves Codex.

 

Valerian

 

Really? would you happen to have a link for this as the only thing I could find said the chapter was disbanded and I've never heard otherwise? I'd love to see that please :)

 

You're wondering why the Inquisition wouldn't want a bunch of crazed, Chaos-hating, super-Astartes running all about the place? And you say without these leader's guidance, they would start attacking whomever they wished? Have you read the fluff for the 13th? There is almost always a Wolf Priest running around with them, and if not then almost definately a Wolf Lord.

 

They still fight for the Imperium; read Grey Hunter. A load of Wulfen led by Bulveye comes along and saves the day. It's the same as the Death Company, only more feral, less regression.

 

#1 The book is Wolfs Honor. Grey Hunter is the 3rd book in the Space Wolf series where Ragnar prevents Magnus from being brought into the material universe by throwing the Spear of Russ into his eye. This caused Ragnar to be sent to join the Wolf Blade where eventually in the 6th book Wolfs Honor he comes across the plot of the Thousand Sons to turn all the Space Wolves into Wulfen which would warrant the chapter being destroyed as the Wulfen would rampage across the galaxy killing millions. The 13th aren't even in Grey Hunter and I think are only breifly mentioned in it (so yes I have read the fluff on the 13th as well as the other Space Wolf books). The 13th and Bulveye as well as the Rune Priest who is his second in command are in Wolfs Honor.

 

#2 Just to clarify we are talking about the Wolf Brothers chapter not the 13th company. Just because the 13th still has leaders to controle the Wulfen dosen't mean that the Wolf Brothers would and using 13th companies leaders for the Wolf Brothers isn't even related. In this case the only way that the 13th are related to the Wolf Brothers is as a source of information on the Wulfen.

 

#3 The Wulfen are the result of Space Marines being taken over by the animilistic nature that is apart of the Canis Helix, they are no longer fully human and so are controlled by instincts unless there is a leader who has the strangth of will or training to controle them. They can no longer tell friend from foe which is why Ragnar was attacked by a former pack mate who turned Wulfen on his way back to The Fang.

 

This is relevant to the Wolf Brothers because if the level of mutation (Wulfen) got to the point to where the chapter would need to be disbanded (If they where which according to Valerian they wern't) then that would mean that the chapters command structure (those who would controle the Wulfen) had either been killed, lost controle or mutated themselves.

This would leave uncontroled Wulfen to roam the galaxy causing what distruction they will which would warrant their distruction to prevent an occurance.

 

And while the Wulfen would attack Chaos forces if they are near they would also attack anything else including the civilian populace of whatever planet they where on which would lead to millions of deaths if not more (the fear of what would happen should Madox successfully cast his spell in Wolfs Honor). I highly doubt that the Inquisition would want Wulfen running around the galaxy slaughtering millions.

[Jonny]

I am confused about the Ecclesiarchy bit as I'm not sure where that came from? ^_^ When I was talking about the Space Wolves keeping the curse of the Wulfen a secret I was talking about it being kept a secret from the Imperium in general. What I was wonder is if the Wolf Brothers all fell to the curse of the Wulfen then would it more likely be the Space Wolves who hunt them down to keep the existance of the Wulfen quiet so that the Inquisition woulden't come to suspect the same mutations in the Space Wolves themselves. Or would the Space Wolves stay out of it completly and let another chapter or 2 hunt them so that it seemed like an isolated incident, a fluke that happened solely to the Wolf Brothers.

 

My apologies I wrote it badly, I had meant it as an example that we have shown those outside our chapter how loyal we are and shown in the one instance we were attacked by others in the Imperium we showed that it will not end well for them. I'm rather sure if they did find and prove all the things that could get us disbanded ourselves that they would cover it up and leave us alone, they know the value and power of this chapter.

 

From what you said I think you're saying that the Space Wolves would have stayed out of it unless they absolutly had to participate?

 

Not exactly, they may have wanted to be the ones who dealt with it when they heard about it. I personally doubt whoever took the call to disband the Wolf Brothers would have contacted the Space Wolfs unless it was tactically efficient (I don't think a Space Marine Chapter has much say in the dissolving of another, they would just carry out the task). Personally I think someone (possible an inquisitor or very just high ranking official) would have informed the Lords of Terra or a very high ranking member of the Administratum who would be the ones to give the order. I think they would have simple ordered the nearest Chapters capable to deal with it, so the Space Wolves would have only been involved if they were one of them. So the want t cover up the wulfen wouldn't have been a consideration since I doubt they made the decision, unless those that made the decision also wanted it covered up (quite possible imo).

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I am confused about the Ecclesiarchy bit as I'm not sure where that came from? -_- When I was talking about the Space Wolves keeping the curse of the Wulfen a secret I was talking about it being kept a secret from the Imperium in general. What I was wonder is if the Wolf Brothers all fell to the curse of the Wulfen then would it more likely be the Space Wolves who hunt them down to keep the existance of the Wulfen quiet so that the Inquisition woulden't come to suspect the same mutations in the Space Wolves themselves. Or would the Space Wolves stay out of it completly and let another chapter or 2 hunt them so that it seemed like an isolated incident, a fluke that happened solely to the Wolf Brothers.

 

My apologies I wrote it badly, I had meant it as an example that we have shown those outside our chapter how loyal we are and shown in the one instance we were attacked by others in the Imperium we showed that it will not end well for them. I'm rather sure if they did find and prove all the things that could get us disbanded ourselves that they would cover it up and leave us alone, they know the value and power of this chapter.

 

From what you said I think you're saying that the Space Wolves would have stayed out of it unless they absolutly had to participate?

 

Not exactly, they may have wanted to be the ones who dealt with it when they heard about it. I personally doubt whoever took the call to disband the Wolf Brothers would have contacted the Space Wolfs unless it was tactically efficient (I don't think a Space Marine Chapter has much say in the dissolving of another, they would just carry out the task). Personally I think someone (possible an inquisitor or very just high ranking official) would have informed the Lords of Terra or a very high ranking member of the Administratum who would be the ones to give the order. I think they would have simple ordered the nearest Chapters capable to deal with it, so the Space Wolves would have only been involved if they were one of them. So the want t cover up the wulfen wouldn't have been a consideration since I doubt they made the decision, unless those that made the decision also wanted it covered up (quite possible imo).

 

Ok gotcha :)

[Matt D]

I always thought that they were just added to the 13th stone. meaning they were brought back to the fang and are still used... just never realy talked about. i can't emagine any space wolf killing a wulfen unless it threatened the chapter. better to bring them home and use them to kill more chaos dudes.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I always thought that they were just added to the 13th stone. meaning they were brought back to the fang and are still used... just never realy talked about. i can't emagine any space wolf killing a wulfen unless it threatened the chapter. better to bring them home and use them to kill more chaos dudes.

 

Eh I don't think so. The obsidian name stone represents the 13th company as well as all those Space Wolves Great Companies that have been lost on campaign, destroyed in battle or recounted their oaths of fealty. Now there are two key parts to that 1 the obsidian name stone represents Great Companies of the Space Wolves chapter where as the Wolf Brothers are an entirely seperate chapter. And 2 the Wolf Brothers where not lost on campaign, destroyed in battle or recounted their oaths in fealty. Unless what Valerian says is true the Wolf Brothers largely became subject to the curse of the Wulfen and so where disbanded.

 

As far as a Space Wolf not killing a Wulfen unless they threatened the chapter the Space Wolves are protectors of humanity, if a Wulfen was lose and could not be controlled they would kill it to prevent it from harming others. Now if the Wulfen was lose on say an Ork world then I'm sure they would say sick em' and leave it be ;). As for taking them back to be used by the SW remember that the Wolf Brothers where an astartes chapter that may or may not have followed the codex (probably not) so it can be assumed that they had 12-13 Great Companies. Now if the majority of the Wolf Brothers turned into Wulfen that is ALOT of Wulfen and I doubt that the Space Wolves would have enough brothers who would be able to controle that number of Wulfen.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Personally I doubt the Imperium would allowed any in a chapter that needed to be disbanded due to mutation to live. I also doubt that in this case it was kept much of a secrete because it would take more that just the Space Wolves order to disband another Marine Chapter without giving proof as to why. In my opinion Space Wolves would have unlikely had much to do with it unless they were the nearest Chapter able to be called into action to cleans our kin. As to fears of the Ecclesiarchy finding out I'm sure I've read they tried to invade Fenris for our "pagan ways" and discovered that rumours of Fenris's defences being only second to Earth's weren't rumours and they decided just to leave us alone. I don't now where I read it but I did a google search and their seem to be a couple others who also have. I would like to find the source before writing the storie down as official fluff but regardless the essence of the story (just leaving us alone) is true, we have shown our loyalty to the Emperor and our talent for war, that keeps us left well alone on its own.

 

-Jonny

 

This story can be found in the current codex Space Wolves amount the list of battles they have fought.

 

Wolf Brothers deffected to Chaos as well as one Wolf Brother being apart of a Deathwatch kill team, both instances coming from the Ultramarines series.

 

Your also have the Apoclypse rule book. During the Scouring of Makenna VII a squad of Wolf Brothers fought under Oneius Prayd of the Red Corsairs who had join force with a Chaos crusade force (among Iron Warriors, Daemons, Death Guards, etc..)

 

IP

[Jonny]

This story can be found in the current codex Space Wolves amount the list of battles they have fought.

 

Ah, thank you!

 

-Jonny

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

This story can be found in the current codex Space Wolves amount the list of battles they have fought.

 

Ah, thank you!

 

-Jonny

 

:huh: Didn't I already say that?

[Jonny]

:huh: Didn't I already say that?

 

Sorry you had said in the "Space Wolf time line" and I didn't realise you meant in the codex.

 

-Jonny

[Valerian]

While very little is known about the Space Wolves only mentioned successor but it is known that they were disbanded and it is rumored that the cause of this was genetic instability (wulfen).

 

Although the Wolfbrothers Chapter was known for experiencing genetic instability, the Chapter was never disbanded. Instead, the entire Chapter was lost into the Webway, after having chased after a fleeing Eldar raiding force. The story about the fate of the Wolfbrothers was in a White Dwarf magazine at the time of the release of the 3rd Edition Space Wolves Codex.

 

Valerian

 

Really?

Yes, really.

 

would you happen to have a link for this

Like I said, it was in a White Dwarf article, so no I do not have a "link" to it. I do, however, have that issue of the magazine which was US White Dwarf #245 (June 2000), which happened to be the 25th Anniversary Issue for Games Workshop (1975-2000).

 

From that White Dwarf:

 

The Wolf Brothers

(excerpted from the calleria M37)

 

...And ranging 'cross Yahals plain

The Eldar turned at bay.

They stood and fought, shed blood

And burned

A thousand men that day.

 

Then Wolf Brothers came

To slay them all,

Bloody swords raised, howling,

fangs gleaming

Answering the warriors' call.

 

No alien could stand against

So fierce a foe,

No trick would turn them aside.

On they came, unstoppable

To strike a deadly blow.

 

Turning, fleeing the Eldar ran

Through their portal

Beyond the reach of man.

Undaunted Wolf Brothers

Pursued them unto realms immortal

 

Though aliens were defeated,

Their fury tamed,

The ill-fated Wolf Brothers

Were lost, mourned

Never seen again...

 

as the only thing I could find said the chapter was disbanded and I've never heard otherwise?

 

Was it anything official from GW, or just someone's assumption? The latest codex states only that, "The Space Wolves were divided only once, creating the ill-fated Wolfbrothers Chapter. Perhaps the High Lords recognized the problems of genetic instability that would plague the legacy of Leman Russ..." It would be easy to assume that the Wolfbrothers were considered "ill-fated" because of the "genetic instability." However, the genetic instability is just the explanation for why the Space Wolves were not used to create additional successor Chapters; our Space Wolves have put up with genetic instability and the "Curse of the Wulfen" for 10,000 years, so there is no good reason to spread the Curse beyond our First-Founding Chapter/Legion. Why take a genetic line with obvious problems, when they can take "pure" genetic material from the Ultramarines, for example, to create new Chapters? The "ill-fated" label is assigned to the Wolfbrothers because the entire Chapter was lost in the Eldar Webway and never seen or heard from again.

 

 

Valerian

[Coverfire]

It really depends on the strength of the geneseed of the Second Founding as too what genetic mutations arose.

We all assume that the mutations would be Wulfen in nature, but with the watering down of the genetic lineage

it could mean something else.

 

The seed of Russ has its own nature defense against Chaos, as we have read in the William King/Lee Lightner

books, a watered down seed may mean that they are more susceptible to manipulations of Chaos, while

retaining other traits that make the Space Wolves great but without the nature defenses it makes the Wolf Brothers

dangerous.

 

I don't know anything about the Wolf Brothers Chapter so many things could have been the cause of their demise;

be it at the hands of the Inquisition due to the chapter being sanctioned or chasing Eldar into the Web Way. One of

the things biggest impacts might be where they recruited for the Wolf Brothers. Presumably, it wouldn't be Fenris

because that is the ground that provides the Space Wolves and it could be that Fenrisian Warriors are more suited

to the implants of Leman Russ's gene seed.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

While very little is known about the Space Wolves only mentioned successor but it is known that they were disbanded and it is rumored that the cause of this was genetic instability (wulfen).

 

Although the Wolfbrothers Chapter was known for experiencing genetic instability, the Chapter was never disbanded. Instead, the entire Chapter was lost into the Webway, after having chased after a fleeing Eldar raiding force. The story about the fate of the Wolfbrothers was in a White Dwarf magazine at the time of the release of the 3rd Edition Space Wolves Codex.

 

Valerian

 

Really?

Yes, really.

 

would you happen to have a link for this

Like I said, it was in a White Dwarf article, so no I do not have a "link" to it. I do, however, have that issue of the magazine which was US White Dwarf #245 (June 2000), which happened to be the 25th Anniversary Issue for Games Workshop (1975-2000).

 

From that White Dwarf:

 

The Wolf Brothers

(excerpted from the calleria M37)

 

...And ranging 'cross Yahals plain

The Eldar turned at bay.

They stood and fought, shed blood

And burned

A thousand men that day.

 

Then Wolf Brothers came

To slay them all,

Bloody swords raised, howling,

fangs gleaming

Answering the warriors' call.

 

No alien could stand against

So fierce a foe,

No trick would turn them aside.

On they came, unstoppable

To strike a deadly blow.

 

Turning, fleeing the Eldar ran

Through their portal

Beyond the reach of man.

Undaunted Wolf Brothers

Pursued them unto realms immortal

 

Though aliens were defeated,

Their fury tamed,

The ill-fated Wolf Brothers

Were lost, mourned

Never seen again...

 

as the only thing I could find said the chapter was disbanded and I've never heard otherwise?

 

Was it anything official from GW, or just someone's assumption? The latest codex states only that, "The Space Wolves were divided only once, creating the ill-fated Wolfbrothers Chapter. Perhaps the High Lords recognized the problems of genetic instability that would plague the legacy of Leman Russ..." It would be easy to assume that the Wolfbrothers were considered "ill-fated" because of the "genetic instability." However, the genetic instability is just the explanation for why the Space Wolves were not used to create additional successor Chapters; our Space Wolves have put up with genetic instability and the "Curse of the Wulfen" for 10,000 years, so there is no good reason to spread the Curse beyond our First-Founding Chapter/Legion. Why take a genetic line with obvious problems, when they can take "pure" genetic material from the Ultramarines, for example, to create new Chapters? The "ill-fated" label is assigned to the Wolfbrothers because the entire Chapter was lost in the Eldar Webway and never seen or heard from again.

 

 

Valerian

 

If thats what happened to the Wolf Brothers then why does EVERYONE think that the chapter was disbanded? I mean in 10 years of gaming this is the first time I've heard anything other then the chapter was disbanded due to their genetic instability. And if thats what happened to them why dosen't GW say it in the SW codex or any other source besides that WD which is from what the time of the 2nd edition? It's just news to me is all. And it dosen't really make sense that an entire chapter would dissapear fighting Eldar as it is rare that entire chapters fight together. And if the chapter dissapeared how does that explain the 3 brothers I mentioned above?

 

And I'm not so sure about the ill faited and genetic instability statements being in referance to the High Lords knowning about the Mark of the Wulfen. I mean if the Wolf Brothers dissapeared chasing Eldar why even mention genetic instability at all? Why not say their only successors dissapeared and because of suspicions of mutation no others where created. Also I believe that the Curse of the Wulfen isn't widely known outside of the chapter for 3 reasons. 1 the Cadians who returned from the assault into the Eye of Terror speak of the Wulfen in hushed tones as if they had never heard of them before and they are amazed by the monsters. 2 In Wolfs Honor the Inquisitor who is with Ragnar and the Wolf Blade is surprised by the Wulfen and if anyone would know about Wulfen it would be the Inquisition. And 3 Logan swore Ragnar to silence concerning the 13th and why would he do that if the Wulfen were widely known about (which would mean the Wulfen of the 13th are known about as well).

 

So if the Wulfen aren't widely known to exist, and the SW keep it a secret why would the Wolf Brothers be marked for genetic instability unless they had suffered a large outbreak of Wulfen. It just makes no sense for it to even be mentioned if the entire chapter dissapeared into the webway. I think that WD story may be old as GW updates and changes fluff and it currently points more towards the idea of the Wolf Brothers having turned to Wulfen instead of dissappearing.

 

Also the Wolf Brothers where created during the second founding so they too would have had around 10,000 years to deal with the curse like the SW which also supports that genetic instability woulden't be mentioned unless it was a huge issue in the chapter. And the second found chapters wern't made the same way as chapters created after that. The 2nd founding was the spliting of the legions, warriors wern't made for new chapters untill the 3rd founding. Those chapters of the 2nd founding where formed from brothers already created that were once apart of the original legion. So while the Wolf Brothers may have recruited new members from whatever planet the majority of them where original members of the SW legion with original gene seed. And I don't believe that the gene seed of Russ only works for Fenrisians as the original Legions that the Emperor created using the Primarchs gene seed were filled with men taken from Terra. If Russ' gene seed only worked on Fenrisians the Emperor woulden't have been able to make the Terran legion that was made from Russ' gene seed.