Using Wolf Standards

[Brother Caleb]

Do you have to declare it on your turn or can you just wait to the beginning of the assault phase you wish to use it regardless of who's turn it is?

 

The entry for it does not specify, so that leads me to think the latter, but I don't want cause a problem tonight.

[Valerian]

Do you have to declare it on your turn or can you just wait to the beginning of the assault phase you wish to use it regardless of who's turn it is?

 

The entry for it does not specify, so that leads me to think the latter, but I don't want cause a problem tonight.

 

Since it works in the "next" Assault Phase, ensure that you announce to your opponent that you are activating your Standard in either your Shooting Phase or his. If you wait until an Assault Phase an opponent who wants to be a hardass can force you to delay a turn to the "next" Assault Phase.

 

V

[wolf363839]

Since it doesn't specify, I just declare it at the beginning of the assault phase.

 

I wonder if it is similar to "going to ground" (where you do it just before rolling armor saves), meaning you can wait to declare using the standard until after you have rolled to hit, for example.

[stinkenheim]

but it does specify. It specifies that it will work in the NEXT assault phase. If you roll to hit, get a load of ones and then declare that you are using your standard you won't get any benefit until the following turns assault phase.

[WG Vrox]

Attempting to use the banner after a bad roll would be poor sportsmanship regardless of when it says you can use it.

 

The rule is worded very poorly and I was hoping to see something on it in the FAQ. but nothing.

 

I am of the opinion you can declare it at the beginning of an assault phase as if your opponent quickly called out "it's the assault phase" right after his last missed shot not giving you time to declare the use of the banner, it would be a gross misuse of a RAW.

[jmurph]

The standard just says once per game- no required time to activate. however, the effect further states that it doesn't occur until the next assault phase. So, using it at the start of the assault phase would not grant the squad the benefit until the next assault phase. Therefore, you should declare it during the movement or shooting phases if you wish to use it on the same turn. Your opponent cannot simply declare it the assault phase; he first must finish the shooting phase. If he declares that he has no further shooting, you may trigger the effect. You could also do it when checking morale on units that took 25% casualties. Even if he were to try to skip that step entirely, you could inform him that at the conclusion of shooting, the squad is triggering the standard, since there is no rule that allows you to skip a phase.

 

Attempting to use the effect after any rolling would not be effective for that phase. On a similar note, always remember to declare your wolf claws before any rolling or you may not re-roll anything! I usually explain before game that unless I state otherwise during an assault, I am declaring re-roll to wound. This is accepted since it just means that 99% of the time they are just normal lightning claws and it is somewhat annoying to some players to go through it every phase.

[TiguriusX]

I know I am the resident hard ass / grumpy old man but holy cow...reading comprehension at the Fang is falling!!

 

As a few others have mentioned there is a CLEAR entry for the wolf standard about when it goes into effect.

 

The best usage is during the shooting phase. You have done all the random events other than the actual assault (if moving through difficult terrain etc) so you know at this point whether you want to use it during your attack.

 

If used during the opposing shooting phase it may even intimidate your opponent into NOT attacking

[Valerian]

I know I am the resident hard ass / grumpy old man

 

And here I thought I was the resident grumpy old man; well, I suppose there is room in The Fang for more than one.

 

V

[HERO]

I would play it as intended.

 

Let out a Wolf Howl at the beginning of a assault you plan on participating in (whether taking it or giving it) and re-roll the 1s.

[TiguriusX]

I would play it as intended.

 

Let out a Wolf Howl at the beginning of a assault you plan on participating in (whether taking it or giving it) and re-roll the 1s.

 

...I'm going to let Valerian take this one and go all grumpy old man on you

[jmurph]

I would play it as intended.

 

Let out a Wolf Howl at the beginning of a assault you plan on participating in (whether taking it or giving it) and re-roll the 1s.

 

I prefer to play by the rules.

[Grey Mage]

I know I am the resident hard ass / grumpy old man

 

And here I thought I was the resident grumpy old man; well, I suppose there is room in The Fang for more than one.

 

V

Long Fangs come in packs :lol:

 

I usually declare at the begining of the assault phase with my friends, but I make sure its at the end of my opponents shooting phase in tournaments.

[HERO]

I would play it as intended.

 

Let out a Wolf Howl at the beginning of a assault you plan on participating in (whether taking it or giving it) and re-roll the 1s.

 

I prefer to play by the rules.

 

The rules are extremely unclear.

 

Like GM said, if anyone gives a :lol:, you can use it in your/his shooting phase.

[stinkenheim]

the rules aren't unclear tough, they clearly say it will be used in the next assault phase.if you declare it in an assault phase then RAW you d not get the bonuses until the next turn.

 

However my friends and I play that they are declared in the assault phase you wish to ue them but that is very much a house rule that they were kind enough to suggest. I would have little problem with them enforcing the RAW side even if it meant they called my bluff occassionally by making me think i was going to get assaulted.

[Skirax]

What about, before you measure for Assault range etc. and declare which unit you're going to assault, you say, 'Pack Bob is using Wolf Standard', and then proceed normally? That's what I do at my club and people don't mind.

[WG Vrox]

Really, if you declared the use of it at the very beginning of the assault phase and someone pulled RAW on me, I would concede the game.

 

The Grey Line of when one phase ends and the next begins is relative to the players who's turn it is and it's a deceleration. If someone calls you on the RAW of it, they can piss off and I will concede the game to them and their awesomeness.

 

Vrox

[stinkenheim]

if its your turn, declare their use then say 'right onto the assault phase'

if its your opponents phase simply say 'before you do anything I'm using XXX's standards... o.k you can start the ssault phase now dude.'

 

most people won't have an issue with you doing it before anythings been moved and most decent opponents will not mind you 'interuprting' them to decalre its use (not many have someting which will only work in the following phase as opposed the the current). but some people may just be stubborn or obnoxious or simply hard line, in which case RAW you would be in the wrong.

[JamesI]

As a non-wolf player, the RAW seems to be that you have to use it before the assault phase. In a tournament, I'd expect that (but of course I would also expect the wolf player be given time to use their standards)

 

In a friendly game, as long as it was declared before assault moves or dice rolling in the assault I'd be fine with it.

[HERO]

if its your turn, declare their use then say 'right onto the assault phase'

if its your opponents phase simply say 'before you do anything I'm using XXX's standards... o.k you can start the ssault phase now dude.'

 

Pretty much how I play it.

[Wysten]

Aye, generally in Yu-Gi-Oh, people don't announce when they are entering the battle phase and go streight into declaring attacks. Which can be problematic by RAW, or even by picking up their monster card as if swinging to attack, when really they are just trying to bluff your backrow without entering the battle phase for additional, illegal information. I normally solve that by activating effect anyway if they don't state aloud that they are entering the phase, or when they start the assualt phase, you can say you preformed the action at the end of their shooting phase before they do anything assualty related. No one should have a problem with that.

 

I think it's cystal clear personally. It clearly states next assualt phase. Which means it is the next assualt phase, meaning if you get your wolves all rattled up, then they simply know not to charge headfist into the really angry wolves, which pretty much gives you the charge anyways. Still 10 points well spent considering they have less attacks to hit you with. Or just bolt pistols if a tactical squad.

[Brother Caleb]

I just played a game with a fellow wolves player and I popped my standard during his shooting because I knew he was going to assault. He said I would get it's effect on my assault phase, not his that immediately preceded the phase it was popped. He said that was how the FAQ read. Is he right?

[Godhead]

I skipped through a few of the responses, but I use mine either after a squad has shot at my squad and i'm fairly sure I'm going to be assaulted, or I pull the old magic the gathering deal when they finish their shooting phase and I go "before the end of your shooting phase I activate my standard"....

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

I just played a game with a fellow wolves player and I popped my standard during his shooting because I knew he was going to assault. He said I would get it's effect on my assault phase, not his that immediately preceded the phase it was popped. He said that was how the FAQ read. Is he right?

Is there some magic FAQ I am unaware of where his claim is substantiated?

[Brother Caleb]

I just played a game with a fellow wolves player and I popped my standard during his shooting because I knew he was going to assault. He said I would get it's effect on my assault phase, not his that immediately preceded the phase it was popped. He said that was how the FAQ read. Is he right?

Is there some magic FAQ I am unaware of where his claim is substantiated?

That's what I'm asking. I can't seem to find anything to that effect.

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

I just played a game with a fellow wolves player and I popped my standard during his shooting because I knew he was going to assault. He said I would get it's effect on my assault phase, not his that immediately preceded the phase it was popped. He said that was how the FAQ read. Is he right?

Is there some magic FAQ I am unaware of where his claim is substantiated?

That's what I'm asking. I can't seem to find anything to that effect.

 

Looks like you were fed a load of bull by your opponent.