Abbian Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Can Tau and Necron be added to the character trait of Suffer Not the Alien to Live rules or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 No, but you can ditch your obsolete Codex Space Marines from 4th Edition (2005) and get the new Codex from 5th Edition (2008). :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/#findComment-2475957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Being obsolete is simply a state of mind. Some of us DH/WH players have been obsolete for some time, and have been arguing for some time about some silly GW PDF update... 4th or 5th edition, one shall not suffer the Alien to Live!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/#findComment-2476068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Being obsolete is simply a state of mind. Some of us DH/WH players have been obsolete for some time, and have been arguing for some time about some silly GW PDF update... 4th or 5th edition, one shall not suffer the Alien to Live!!! Wrong. The DH and WH codices are still legal to play, the 4th edition Marine codex isn't. That is a pretty major difference, not just something that can be dismissed as a mere state of mind. That said, for people who don't mind playing with an outdated, illegal codex, I would agree with Legatus's interpretation of the rule. It specifically lists which alien races you can take it for, and which you can't. It doesn't make sense that Tau and Necrons are left out, but we play by the rules GW makes, not the ones we think would be best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/#findComment-2476098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Being obsolete is simply a state of mind. Some of us DH/WH players have been obsolete for some time, and have been arguing for some time about some silly GW PDF update... 4th or 5th edition, one shall not suffer the Alien to Live!!! Wrong. The DH and WH codices are still legal to play, the 4th edition Marine codex isn't. That is a pretty major difference, not just something that can be dismissed as a mere state of mind. That said, for people who don't mind playing with an outdated, illegal codex, I would agree with Legatus's interpretation of the rule. It specifically lists which alien races you can take it for, and which you can't. It doesn't make sense that Tau and Necrons are left out, but we play by the rules GW makes, not the ones we think would be best. I think the term 'illegal' is a little strong as there are indeed folks out there who do still play using 4th ed rules. Obselete is probably a better term. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/#findComment-2476103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I think the term 'illegal' is a little strong as there are indeed folks out there who do still play using 4th ed rules. That does not make the Codex less 'illegal'. It would not be accepted in tournaments, as it has been replaced by a new 'official' army list for Codex adherent Space Marines. What rules friends use among themselves is of course entirely up to them. It doesn't make sense that Tau and Necrons are left out At the time the rule had been written, it did. Back in 4th Edition the 'Preferred Enemy' rule would let your units hit that enemy type models on a 3+, no matter their Weapon Skill. But there were hardly any Tau units with more than WS 2 or WS 3, so Marines would normally hit them on 3+ anyway. It would have helped only against Kroot units. Necrons are not included because Necrons only just appeared on the galactic stage, and there are usually not a lot many survivors after encounters with them. With Orks and Eldar you can have Chapters with 10,000 years of history of fighting them. With Tyranids it is not that long of a history, but at least 250 years, and the encounters with them are usually quite bloody, which has motivated Imperial forces to try to adapt to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207554-suffer-not-the-alien-to-live/#findComment-2476235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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