Ebsolom Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 New up from Forge World, the Caestus Assault Ram which with a little modification could be used as a Strormraven. Personally I'm not too keen on this design. What do you guys think? http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/Ebsolom/caestus3.jpg http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...SSAULT-RAM.html Plus experimental rules. Note that BA are NOT allowed to take this vehicle. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Prod...F/c/caestus.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I find that odd, they obviously feel the Storm Raven is good enough but you can't get the same speed out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I do like the shape and am sad that BA can't use it. I already have a counts as converted from a valk and am attempting to collect bikes to add to the army. Otherwise, yes I would use it as a counts as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybnick Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Anyone mind posting a picture up, I can't see FW's site from this computer. Much appreciated! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I guess the reason that BA can't use it is because they prefer the SR "variation," and the SR probably evolved from the Caestus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsama Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 My Blood Angels shrug, unimpressed. My Salamanders strong Terminator force giggles, giddy with joy!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybnick Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I think it looks pretty good, not quite qhat I was picturing for a SR though. Could definitely be a counts as, but I still think I'll wait for the GW release. I have enough toys to play with in the new codex as it is. Plus when/if they do ever drop a SR model it will feel like an early Christmas! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounahtic Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 i wish the stormraven was more like this thing... 13/13/11 AV... that's more like it... and 36" flatout? how come BA, suppose to be a very mobile, doesn't have that? and 10 termies? that's not pleasant at all.. cost less than a LR too.. why would anyone take LR to move their termies now? btw the design is pretty cool, looks very sturdy, like it was built to ram things... if you were gonna use this as a stormraven, you wouldn't need to change much.. add some turret, a clamp thing in the back for the dread, and pretty much that'll do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 It's cool but it looks kind of like a floating trash barge with missiles embedded in the wings. A missiley-trash barge if you will. The melta cannon is a bit much. Perhaps melta template weapons are the new WH40k thing everybody will be getting. Perhaps I'm just drawing conclusions from the Emperor's coffers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 i wish the stormraven was more like this thing... 13/13/11 AV... that's more like it... and 36" flatout? how come BA, suppose to be a very mobile, doesn't have that? and 10 termies? that's not pleasant at all.. cost less than a LR too.. why would anyone take LR to move their termies now? btw the design is pretty cool, looks very sturdy, like it was built to ram things... if you were gonna use this as a stormraven, you wouldn't need to change much.. add some turret, a clamp thing in the back for the dread, and pretty much that'll do. How come White Scars who are meant to be very mobile, don't get Fast Vehicles? No Codex can or should have all the goodies. At least a Storm Raven can be used in pickup games. Because this won't be in a Codex for a while, if at all, meaning you need permission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resv Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 The rules for that thing are off the charts! 36 Inches of range, AV13 on front and sides, 5+ Invulnerable save on the Front Facing, twin-linked large blast MELTA weapon, and the ability to ferry 10 TERMINATORS? Hell, I'll take 3 of them! The Storm Raven costs almost the exact same and is overshadowed by this thing! Is this the taste of things to come? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounahtic Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 hmmmm vehicles with build-in saves and template weapons out the wahzoo... that cant be good for the little guys running around on foot... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azatoth Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 A CAR is a Fast Attack choice in a Space Marines, Black Templars, Space Wolves or Dark Angels army. As White Scars dont have an own codex I guess they fall under the SM tag, but what about Ultras, normally I would say UM are THE SM. Wasnt this vehicle shown in that artwork we wondered about a couple month ago, with those White Scars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 @lounahtic, Resv and Zeller: Yep, it does seem OP. That is the reason the rules have a large, official looking stamp text that says something like "experimental rules, not approved." That, combined with the fact that it won't actually be out until about a month means that they have time to work on it and tweak it. At first I saw the melta cannon and thought: "Ohhhh...Shiny...," then I remembered that blast weapon str is halved on vehicles that the central hole is not over. Then I remembered that if you got lucky on the melta roll, you can still get get 16 vs AV. Then I realized that my marines where on foot, with no vehicles and there pretty armor doesn't like being melted. If you give the raven extra armor, (which comes standard on this monster,) the point difference is only 20pts. I think the way they balanced the points was this: SR:2 more transport capacity, slower turbo boast, no built in save, ability to carry Jump Troops, Ability to carry dred with squad, ability to slap on any type of weapon you need plus enough fire power to alpha strike any squadron of tanks to bits, Power of the Machine Spirit, 12 AV all round, comes with 4, 1 use missiles, ability to take locator beacon and awesome weapon upgrades with most being free. Ram: Terminators do not take up 2 spaces, extra speed boost, built in save, 1 standard weapon, melta cannon standard, weapon upgrade relatively expensive, 2 less transport space, extra armor standard, no power of the machine spirit, AV boost on front and side, AV reduction in rear, can take Teleport beacon(not locator) and ram bonuses. at 20pts more, it really just comes down to your army build. The SR for jump armies, the Ram for terminator heavy armies. just my thoughts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 why would anyone take LR to move their termies now? LR are fully legal and FW stuff is not ? for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 yh i was just about to say, this is still only an imperial armour addition guys, dont get too exited. xD it is strange, them making sure ba cant take it, especially with the large percentage of the profit margin they will lose. if they have any sense then they would make it for all chapters. btw, i lurve the model, especially the melta cannon. might get one for the cabinet. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 It's not like that many people are playing Apoc so to me it's not a big deal. Certainly it would make a great stand in as a Stormraven. 0b ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 @black orange: IA is not only apoc, most of it is actually additional units to use in the standard game. For instance, in IA2, there is a drop pod that lets dreds assualt when they land. Not many groups use the IA books in normal games because you need extra books and models from forgeword. My group uses them, but we are more hobby then serious gamers. This one is a fast attack choice for the listed codexs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 That's the thing even if you are playing more for fun than competively - which should be commended. I'm not sure why our chapter can't use this transport unless Forgeworld has something similar in the works for us. I am typically only play in tournaments or playtest so it is not like I would be able to use it anyways. It's definitely a nice looking model in my opinion. 0b ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Im so surprised how so many BA players complain they dont have ANOTHER fast moving skimmer , and looking at this new ram , its not better than the raven as some has pointed but different usage in lists Why BA cant have it ? You already have something similar , cant give you everything now can they ? leave some stuff for the others or perhaps we should go back to the time when other SM chapters players complain you guys getting a fast skimmer ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Im so surprised how so many BA players complain they dont have ANOTHER fast moving skimmer , and looking at this new ram , its not better than the raven as some has pointed but different usage in lists Why BA cant have it ? You already have something similar , cant give you everything now can they ? This was kind of my point in my long, compare contrast post some ways up. The raven is good for BA armies, while the Ram is good for Terminator heavy armies. They have different options for different play styles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Im so surprised how so many BA players complain they dont have ANOTHER fast moving skimmer , and looking at this new ram , its not better than the raven as some has pointed but different usage in lists Why BA cant have it ? You already have something similar , cant give you everything now can they ? This was kind of my point in my long, compare contrast post some ways up. The raven is good for BA armies, while the Ram is good for Terminator heavy armies. They have different options for different play styles. yeah it was a good and pin point post XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Meh its the thing that was at I think gamesday in its plasticard form labled untitled and I did not like it then and still don't still prefer the Raven due the ability to carry a Dred and other stuff and well Mini thunderhawk > flying trash barge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Extra Forgeworld crap should be made for all to use. It's ugly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealadin Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Who cares it can't be used in normal games and its only real use at this time is as a stand in Stormraven, its cool, but doesn't quite fit the bill. Its rules ARE better despite what people are argueing (why would you ever actually put Jumpers in a SR?) but not by a huge margin. The armour is the main point really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207609-caestus-assault-ram-or-optional-stormraven-counts-as/#findComment-2476895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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