majorpayne327 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Hey guys, I just need help clarifying the rules on Greater and Lesser Daemon summoming. Its a bit confusing for me to understand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 thier are two sets of rules for daemons outside of the daemon codex the first is the chaos codex.. in that one daemons can assault on the turn they arrive but only if you have an icon on the board thats not in assault etc. from the DH codex full details are on page 49 under daemon summoning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obliterator Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Hey guys,I just need help clarifying the rules on Greater and Lesser Daemon summoming. Its a bit confusing for me to understand. If you are referring to a Chaos Space Marine army: - bot greater and lesser daemons start as reserves, and become available as per normal reserve rules. - greater daemons, once they become available, basically replace a mini already on the board (aspiring champion, lord, sorceror, etc.) of the Chaos player's choice. - lesser daemons enter the game with the deep strike rules, but they always have to be summoned near a chaos icon (which is an upgrade in a 'normal' squad). These are basically extra troops that enter the game. As adversaries with the Daemonhunters codex: - again, both kinds of daemons start in reserves - one unit in the non-Daemonhunter army has to assign a HQ or elite unit as an icon carrier. The daemons can only enter the game by means of that assigned unit (or a greater daemon). - greater daemons also possess another mini, so they basically replace the assigned mini on the table. - lesser daemons enter the game using the old deep strike rules, by placing a large blast template in contact with the unit you assigned as icon carrier unit, and working out the scattering as is described in the Daemonhunters codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
majorpayne327 Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 shoulda been more clear< the Daemonhunters codex summoning who supplies the models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 shoulda been more clear< the Daemonhunters codex summoning who supplies the models? If they really want to use the Daemons, it should be their responsibility to use the appropriate models. For the purposes of BC Stern's special rules though, you should be the one to supply a Lord of Change for the free upgrade, should the enemy actually want to use the Adversaries rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
majorpayne327 Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 ok cool, thanks for the clear up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 sorry to threadjack, but its relevant.. when the adversaries rule is utilised, what rules does the lord of change use? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomaflatchi Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 when the adversaries rule is utilised, what rules does the lord of change use? The Adversary rule in Stern's profile specifically says to refer to Codes: Chaos Space Marines for those rules. Given that, in the current edition of that codex they would use the Chaos Space Marine rules for a Greater Daemon as presented there. This technically means that they could give the Greater Daemon any upgrade they wanted, as the Lord of Change is no longer a specific unit - they could, theoretically, give the Daemon a Mark of Nurgle and the Nurgle's Rot power. Even though those are the rules as written, however, for a friendly game they should be encouraged to limit their Mark selection to Mark of Tzeench. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celestin Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 when the adversaries rule is utilised, what rules does the lord of change use? The Adversary rule in Stern's profile specifically says to refer to Codes: Chaos Space Marines for those rules. Given that, in the current edition of that codex they would use the Chaos Space Marine rules for a Greater Daemon as presented there. This technically means that they could give the Greater Daemon any upgrade they wanted, as the Lord of Change is no longer a specific unit - they could, theoretically, give the Daemon a Mark of Nurgle and the Nurgle's Rot power. Even though those are the rules as written, however, for a friendly game they should be encouraged to limit their Mark selection to Mark of Tzeench. Considering that, would it be reasonable to use 'counts-as' Sterns that would have non-Lord of Change adversaries? Such as having a Brother-Captain with a personal vendetta against a Slaaneshi daemon lord? And, for that matter, is the specific model important, so long as it's the right size and clearly a daemon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207645-daemonhunters-rules-question/#findComment-2477747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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