Morollan Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 With your tremendous gift of foresight, did it not ever occur to you that telling your Primarchs that you were heading back to Terra would have been slightly better if you'd also mentioned why? "My sons. I leave you now to return to Terra where I will attempt my greatest work yet. If I succeed, the forces of the Imperium will be able to travel almost anywhere in the galaxy virtually instantaneously!" Oh, and telling them a little more about the Ruinous Powers might not have gone down too badly either. Yours sincerely, A bewildered citizen from the future PS - If you should happen to find yourself fighting one of your sons, don't hold back. You'll regret it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 because to The Emperor, the Primarchs are like little kids. do you explain to little kids the entire concept of electricity or do you just tell them not to tocuh teh power sockets because, a) I said so b ) it is dangerous c) it causes pain, either from the an electric shock or a whopping that is why he didn't explain to them about the powers and he was also weary of telling people that there are "gods" and the effect it might have on them, they might go in search of them or even worse. and the main reason why he didn't tell them about his work is for secrecy, the less people know of about it, the higher the chance of success. someone might let leak about his work and the Eldars or even Chaos might want to stop him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 because to The Emperor, the Primarchs are like little kids.do you explain to little kids the entire concept of electricity or do you just tell them not to tocuh teh power sockets because, a) I said so b ) it is dangerous c) it causes pain, either from the an electric shock or a whopping that is why he didn't explain to them about the powers and he was also weary of telling people that there are "gods" and the effect it might have on them, they might go in search of them or even worse. and the main reason why he didn't tell them about his work is for secrecy, the less people know of about it, the higher the chance of success. someone might let leak about his work and the Eldars or even Chaos might want to stop him Well that worked out well didn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 The reason for the Heresy was Chaos, not because the Emperor was a bad parent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the knife Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Haven't you been following court cases in the US? It's always because of bad parents. I can just imagine Horus' attorney explaining to a jury "Yes, he killed billions of people and plunged the imperium into civil war, but his father never gave him the love and attention he deserved. Therefore you must find him not guilty." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 The reason for the Heresy was Chaos, not because the Emperor was a bad parent. I'd say it was a bit of both really. Throughout the HH books the Emperor has really not come across well. He is portrayed as secretive, vengeful, hypocritical, selfish, vain and even stupid at times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Some people are of the opinion that the Emperor wanted the heresy to happen. But one thing that has to be remembered, no heresy means a very boring 40k. It's like James Bond. Yes, he SHOULD have been hit by one of those five hundred shots...but it would kind of spoil the film if a henchman took Bond down before the opening credits. Likewise, yes I expect the Emperor could have done a better job of being a parent, but it would kind of spoil things if the GC finished and Humanity was ruling the galaxy. And remember, ultimately the Emperor was busy. Many parents can be too busy for their kids without having to worry about the fate of the Galaxy... (course, their children don't have the power to tear said galaxy apart :) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibanknight Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Yeah bad parenting. Its what destroyed Caliban too. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 People have mis-conceptions what the Emperor was and the term "His son's" is misleading. He is not a parent like we consider the term, more like a mentor. And let's not judge his parenting skills on our standards, as our supposed "enlightened" ways have just been a blip on the soul of humanity. And do we really know everything the Emperor did? Perhaps he was protecting his sons? Perhaps he trusted his sons after 200 years of loyalty? Who knows, but perhaps we should give the big man a little credit! ***Edit: Spelling and grammar :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2478956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Well that worked out well didn't it? it just shows that no matter how powerful The Emperor is. he is still human and possess the imperfections that makes someone human. he felt they were the correct decisions at the time and hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2479473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 Well that worked out well didn't it? it just shows that no matter how powerful The Emperor is. he is still human and possess the imperfections that makes someone human. he felt they were the correct decisions at the time and hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? In this case, it's clear that Foresight wasn't 20/20 either :D He has come at last to the dark place, the time of testing, the era hidden from his precognitive vision and beyond which he cannot see. The moment he has always dreaded has arrived. Is my time over, he wonders? Is this where it all ends? Is this why I have reached the limits of my prophetic powers. Is this where I die? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2479587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guerilla Commando Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Don't forget the guy is a single parent aswell, I don't see know baby-moomma in the picture! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2480968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Haven't you been following court cases in the US? It's always because of bad parents. I can just imagine Horus' attorney explaining to a jury "Yes, he killed billions of people and plunged the imperium into civil war, but his father never gave him the love and attention he deserved. Therefore you must find him not guilty." yea but these are not cases where the "child" in question is a genetically enhanced lab created super human ..... and not to mention that the primarchs were created over two hundred years before the heresy started, so the "daddy didn't love me" defense doesn't fly with me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2481200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Well that worked out well didn't it? it just shows that no matter how powerful The Emperor is. he is still human and possess the imperfections that makes someone human. he felt they were the correct decisions at the time and hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? In this case, it's clear that Foresight wasn't 20/20 either :woot: He has come at last to the dark place, the time of testing, the era hidden from his precognitive vision and beyond which he cannot see. The moment he has always dreaded has arrived. Is my time over, he wonders? Is this where it all ends? Is this why I have reached the limits of my prophetic powers. Is this where I die? well, no one's foresight is right? not even that space elf, Eldrad Ulthran Don't forget the guy is a single parent aswell, I don't see no baby-moomma in the picture! not only a single parent but a single parent to TWENTY boys clamoring for his attention with egos bigger than the legions they command Haven't you been following court cases in the US? It's always because of bad parents. I can just imagine Horus' attorney explaining to a jury "Yes, he killed billions of people and plunged the imperium into civil war, but his father never gave him the love and attention he deserved. Therefore you must find him not guilty." yea but these are not cases where the "child" in question is a genetically enhanced lab created super human ..... and not to mention that the primarchs were created over two hundred years before the heresy started, so the "daddy didn't love me" defense doesn't fly with me Horus can't use that "daddy didn't love" me argument since he was the most loved. Lorgar would probably be using that defense. "daddy scolded me so i destroyed everything that he built" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2481425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitzkreig Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Don't forget the guy is a single parent aswell, I don't see no baby-moomma in the picture! not only a single parent but a single parent to TWENTY boys clamoring for his attention with egos bigger than the legions they command Twenty one, two of whom are genetically engineered identical twins which have been described as "one conciousness in two bodies"... Oh and lets not forget, they are extremely different boys. Imagine how Russ and Guillman first met. Or Sanguinus and Angron. Or Mannus and Fulgrim. The Big E was probably spending 99% of his time telling one kid or another to "shut up and go destroy a Xenos empire, I don't care if Mannus tried to cut your hand off because it is 'weak'"..."OK look, just because I named you Warmaster doesn't mean you can go around acting all high and mighty, it doesn't matter if Russ told you to shove it, or Angron called you a hippie." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2481447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Read Murder Mysteries by Neil Gaiman! It's a short story how God is pushing Lucifer to see the unjustice of the Lord and doubt the will of God. The Emperor has walked Earth for millenia, he should know have humanity works, even if it's astartes. So he wanted the heresey to unfold for his own reasons, maybe it did not play out as he thought or has it? There must be a Hell. There must be a place for the demons; a place for the damned. Hell is heavens reflection, It is heavens shadow. They define eachother, Reward and Punishment; hope and despair. There must be a hell for without a hell heaven has no mening.- From Seasons of mists Sandman volume 4. Thats my view on it at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2481466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 So he wanted the heresey to unfold for his own reasons, maybe it did not play out as he thought or has it? we don't know right now since the story of WH40K is still ongoing. he might have seen how it all comes together and it is progressing as he has foreseen and wanted. we might never know, given that the rate GW is progressing with the story, by the time we die it might still be at the same place Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2481534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Scipio Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 With your tremendous gift of foresight, did it not ever occur to you that telling your Primarchs that you were heading back to Terra would have been slightly better if you'd also mentioned why? "My sons. I leave you now to return to Terra where I will attempt my greatest work yet. If I succeed, the forces of the Imperium will be able to travel almost anywhere in the galaxy virtually instantaneously!" Oh, and telling them a little more about the Ruinous Powers might not have gone down too badly either. Yours sincerely, A bewildered citizen from the future PS - If you should happen to find yourself fighting one of your sons, don't hold back. You'll regret it! They were informed about the Chaos, but more could have led to graver results (perhaps?). And to be true nobody could forseen, that Horus would be such a chaos toy only because he was absent some time, not matter why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2483097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Don't forget the guy is a single parent aswell, I don't see no baby-moomma in the picture! Not to mention he lost ALL 20 of his sons!?! That's grounds for some serious 'Neglect' cases!!! Did anybody notify the Intergalactic Department of Children and Family Services? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2484254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian MacKay Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 We had a running joke about the Heresy around my local GW. If the Emperor wanted to stop it from happening, he just needed to sit down and write one little letter.: Dear Horus: How's it going out there? Thinking of you, Dad PRESTO! No Heresy. :rolleyes: edit: spelling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2484401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 We had a running joke about the Heresy around my local GW. If the Emperor wanted to stop it from happening, he just needed to sit down and write one little letter.: Dear Horus: How's it going out there? Thinking of you, Dad PRESTO! No Heresy. ;) edit: spelling Too true!!! But then who would've been worthy of the Ruinous Powers if not for Traitor Marines. It had to be this way or killing xenos would be way too easy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2484473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Don't forget the guy is a single parent aswell, I don't see no baby-moomma in the picture! Not to mention he lost ALL 20 of his sons!?! That's grounds for some serious 'Neglect' cases!!! Did anybody notify the Intergalactic Department of Children and Family Services? all the Primarchs are what? Hundreds of years old? they sure as hell can't be considered children anymore. that department would have a case when they were spirited away by the chaos gods when they were babies. btw, as someone pointed out it was 21 sons (at the very least, since we don't know if either of the unknowm Primarchs are twins or triplets) We had a running joke about the Heresy around my local GW. If the Emperor wanted to stop it from happening, he just needed to sit down and write one little letter.: Dear Horus: How's it going out there? Thinking of you, Dad PRESTO! No Heresy. ;) edit: spelling No, it wouldn't. Horus turned because his own pride and jealousy was used against him. that letter wouldn't have done anything. if anything it would just fuel his hatred as he would be thinking that he was the one doing all the work while the emperor doing nothing back at Terra was given all the glory Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2484500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitzkreig Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 You mean 20, we all know that one of the missing primarchs was a female ;). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2485055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 People have mis-conceptions what the Emperor was and the term "His son's" is misleading. He is not a parent like we consider the term, more like a mentor. And let's not judge his parenting skills on our standards, as our supposed "enlightened" ways have just been a blip on the soul of humanity. And do we really know everything the Emperor did? Perhaps he was protecting his sons? Perhaps he trusted his sons after 200 years of loyalty? Who knows, but perhaps we should give the big man a little credit! ***Edit: Spelling and grammar :cuss This. 200 years of being both their father and, more importantly, their liege lord. It's reasonable to expect them to obey a simple "Keep and eye on things for a while. I'm going back to Terra for a minute" command. After all, they burned entire systems in his name and were away without his direct guidance for long stretches of time, this should have been no different. But, sadly, the Emperor never bought any of them (except maybe the Khan) a pony and thus the Galaxy burned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2485584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightlordsrock3564 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 magnus wasn't psychic he just stuck a fork in the power outlets in his house on prospero Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207778-dear-emperor-of-mankind/#findComment-2498148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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