The Son of Russ Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Seriously i am so confused i read something on the internet saying that russ armour was found in a khornate temple. so either the daemons are keeping it to mock the imperium because they killed him or russ has become an ascended daemon primarch of chaos. HELP! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Or he decided a real warrior doesn't need armour and ripped apart a bloodthirster naked Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2478796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Confusion Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Seriously i am so confused i read something on the internet saying that russ armour was found in a khornate temple.so either the daemons are keeping it to mock the imperium because they killed him or russ has become an ascended daemon primarch of chaos. HELP! Heresy I say. Russ would never turn to chaos. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2478801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 It's theorized by some places on the net that Leman Russ has become the ultimate Wulfen for some reason, turning into a frothing at the mouth equivalent to a Crinos werewolf... Take it with a grain of salt, but either way it's an interesting possibility. That or someone hit him with a bolt of change and he resisted, or, barring that, the Wulfen kicked in and saved him at the expense of his human (im)mortal shell. That cloak of the Nightrunner may have also played a role in this. All told, it's just theory. Even if it plays out as true, it will take GW to make it clear. Otherwise your other thread will help guide you to an answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2478808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Or he decided a real warrior doesn't need armour and ripped apart a bloodthirster naked That is the least sexy thought I have ever had put into me head! :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2478983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I always got the impression he knew he was going to die of old age, since theres nowhere implimented that this could not happen, so he went on one hell of a crusaid before he did pass away and passed his role of command on. That or he's roaming the eye on the order of the allfather, so when he was eventrally needed he could return to lend his strength to the final defence of humanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I hope that Prospero Burns has some more information on the whereabouts of Russ after the sacking of Prospero and his eventual departure years later. Perhaps in some form of Prologue/Epilogue sort of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 They said that Russ wanted to pee after drinkig tons of ale; his armour's zipper went stuck, so he decided to take it off and pee over that funny place over there. Surely he was so drunk that left the place as he came to this world... his suit lost until his sons came to check if papa was here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 If he's dead, the 13th Co probably found him and raised a massive RUNESTONE (wikipedia) for him. If he's not dead, then he's doing what we all think he's doing. Running around naked with his Nightrunner pelt and tearing Bloodthirsters limb from limb. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Russ left his armour for the Space Wolves to find so they would end that Great Hunt. Russ starts the Great Hunts by a dream, then leaves a gift for them to find for doing a great job. Well that's my take on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Seriously i am so confused i read something on the internet saying that russ armour was found in a khornate temple.so either the daemons are keeping it to mock the imperium because they killed him or russ has become an ascended daemon primarch of chaos. HELP! "Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then, my children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the Final Battle. For the Wolftime." - Last words of Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Leman Russ's armour was recovered from a Temple of Horus on Rudra, at the edge of the Eye of Terror during the second Great Hunt. I think it is fairly clear that Leman Russ did pass away in the company of his Companions, after an unspecified and unknown amount of time after having left with them from Fenris during the Feast of the Emperor's Ascension. No-one knows for sure where he went with them, or why, but it seems clear from the quote above of his last words that he died in the company of his retainers. How his armour came to be in that temple is a mystery, as well, but since we know his companions never returned to the Fang, I assume that they continued to work toward whatever quest Russ had lead them on. At some point the armour of Russ was possibly lost by the Space Wolves in battle against the forces of Chaos, and their foe placed it in the temple as a trophy. Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 where was that quote found? if it is not from a codex or novel then to me it is just internet rumor/fanfic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 where was that quote found?if it is not from a codex or novel then to me it is just internet rumor/fanfic Hehe. It's in the 5th Edition codex, it was in the 2nd Edition codex, and I think I even remember it from both the 3rd Edition codex as well as from back in the late Rogue Trader era, when the Space Wolves were reinvented to become what we know them as today. Definitely not Fanfiction. Russ is dead. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 The quote doesn't say he is dead only that he expects to die but no matter his fate when the day comes he will be there to fight alongside Space Wolves once more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 The quote doesn't say he is dead only that he expects to die but no matter his fate when the day comes he will be there to fight alongside Space Wolves once more. They are his "last words," so yeah, that means he is dead. Regardless, he intends to come back anyway at the end, the Wolftime. Apparently, Russ isn't too concerned about death holding him back from something that he is keen on doing. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 These could as well be his "last words" prior to departing towards the EoT or prior to knocking out after getting rascally drunk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 where was that quote found?if it is not from a codex or novel then to me it is just internet rumor/fanfic Hehe. It's in the 5th Edition codex, it was in the 2nd Edition codex, and I think I even remember it from both the 3rd Edition codex as well as from back in the late Rogue Trader era, when the Space Wolves were reinvented to become what we know them as today. Definitely not Fanfiction. Russ is dead. Valerian i must have missed that somehow. i just read the 5th edition a couple of weeks ago and didn't notice that. :/ and like Cain said, it could just be his "last words" before going missing. and if he is supposed to be dead, it would be a well-known fact that almost everyone would know about and stated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 These could as well be his "last words" prior to departing towards the EoT or prior to knocking out after getting rascally drunk. Everyone knows what the term "last words" means, so don't try to be overly clever with excuses based on your wishful thinking. I know this will come across as rude, but come on, seriously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 The quote doesn't say he is dead only that he expects to die but no matter his fate when the day comes he will be there to fight alongside Space Wolves once more. They are his "last words," so yeah, that means he is dead. Regardless, he intends to come back anyway at the end, the Wolftime. Apparently, Russ isn't too concerned about death holding him back from something that he is keen on doing. V Actually those are his last words to his chapter before he left the halls with his retinue. Doubt he didnt speak at all to his retinue when the went into the eye of terror. And last words isn't always that the person dies mate works perfectly well the way we described it as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Actually those are his last words to his chapter before he left the halls with his retinue. Doubt he didnt speak at all to his retinue when the went into the eye of terror. That short speech has nothing to do with when he gathered his retinue and suddenly left from the Feast of the Emperor's Ascension, and disappeared from the Fang forever. Whatever would even give you that idea? They are clearly his last words before dying, as the whole topic is about him dying, e.g. "my life's breath is all but spent". There is no indication in the fluff at all that he was almost dead when he disappeared from the Fang, so his last words must have been to his retinue at some future point, when he was clearly on his deathbed. If you can't see that then I can't help you. And last words isn't always that the person dies mate works perfectly well the way we described it as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 They are the words he said standing on the table in the great hall, so they where his last words to the chapter, in short his last "recorded" words, he left with his WG to the eye after that so its not his dying words. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 The only thing that toubles me a little is: If these were his final words before death and his retinue he spoke to never returned to the fang, how in the emperor's name did this quote reach the fang??? And another is, that he was said to be able to cross between the world of the living and the dead because of his pelt, so why not come back right after passing away? Of course I can think of answers myself, but I'd be very interested in your opinions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Ok I admit, I checked again and realised I mixed it up a bit. If it was written in stone that Leman Russ died it would say that and not that he is lost in the codexes. And can you stop being so damn rude to people? Kinda ruining the atmosphere of this forum(for me atleast atm). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Son of Russ Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 1, valerian has a point and 2, whilst i was reading Bjorn the fell handeds page it mentioned something about: "before he died he left his most trusted wolf guard in charge: Bjorn the fell-handed." It goes something like that. Re read the codex all through and you will come across this quote. We should start deciding that we want some things and have to face the reality of some things. We want russ to return for the wolftime, but we all klnow this isn't gonna happen. The legacy he left is truly incredible, so let us honour his life that has been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chodjinn Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 They are the words he said standing on the table in the great hall, so they where his last words to the chapter, in short his last "recorded" words, he left with his WG to the eye after that so its not his dying words. I was under the impression that at the last feast, he stood up, eyes glazed over for a few minutes as if he had a vision, whispered quietly to his retinue, then left, leaving Bjorn behind in charge. The 'last words' quote is not given in ANY context whatsoever, as in it is just something GW have added in - that is extremely important. We don't know where he was or who was there to hear it, therefore you cannot draw any conclusions from it. We don't even know when he said it. If Russ was truely dead, which the quote would suggest, then what would be the point of the SW going on Great Hunts every now and again? None. If the SW actually knew what Russ's last words were, the information would have had to have come from his retinue or whoever was with him when he died, therefore they would also know he was definitely dead, which they don't. The quote is essentially worthless. And I agree with Fenric, be nice Valerian you've come across like a proper arse in this thread! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207785-what-has-happened-to-russ/#findComment-2479658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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