Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Ok a few questions. First do I get an invulnerable save against the Chaos spell gift of chaos? and does anybody know anyway way at all to counter this spell, because i'm not going to lose a 160 pt relic blade stormshield captain to it again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 youll need a libby with hood to counter the spell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Gift of Chaos provides no save, but remember there is only a 1/3 chance if affects you anyway. GC08 is right, you need a libby with a hood to try to nullify it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 The power description itself is very clear on this point: "as no wounds are taken, no saves apply" (p. 88, Chaos SM Codex). As others have said, a Librarian with a psychic hood provides an extra layer of defense. Also, since Gift only has a 6" range you should be able to keep your HQ units away from the enemy psykers using it if you make that priority. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted August 6, 2010 Author Share Posted August 6, 2010 blah, I never use psykers. ever. maybe I'll invest in one, probably not lol thx guys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackelope King Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 blah, I never use psykers. ever. maybe I'll invest in one, probably not lol thx guys A bone-standard librarian is a darn good HQ these days, to be completely honest with you. It fits into a lot of the strong Marine Combat Doctrines these days (classic Mech and Razorback Spam without a doubt, but even more exotic armies can benefit from one... Hybrid Bikers, without a Command squad really like having a libby as the second HQ, etc.). A naked Librarian is where I tend to start my list-building in the HQ Force Org slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 allied inquisitor with unlimited range hood is only 45 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2482675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted August 7, 2010 Author Share Posted August 7, 2010 allied inquisitor with unlimited range hood is only 45 points that sounds more like it! picking one up TODAY Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2483270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 It'll probably be written out in about 6 months though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2483294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Isaac Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 But 6 months of ownage ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2483591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 can I suggest using something with a better Ld than 8? Such as adding two hierophants or using a lord (with the 3 obligatory bodyguard). Otherwise, is the Gift of Chaos a shooting attack? If so, getting in close combat is a solution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2484098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 can I suggest using something with a better Ld than 8? Such as adding two hierophants or using a lord (with the 3 obligatory bodyguard). Otherwise, is the Gift of Chaos a shooting attack? If so, getting in close combat is a solution. Gift can be used while in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2484135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted August 9, 2010 Author Share Posted August 9, 2010 yeah best option sounds like a 45pt unlimited range inquisitor hood :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2484303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 yeah best option sounds like a 45pt unlimited range inquisitor hood :rolleyes: Except that, as Bystrom pointed out, that model comes with Ld 8 standard, which would make the hood pretty useless. You need to add a pair of Hierophants as a retinue to bump him up to Ld 10, or take an Inquisitor Lord (which costs more and has a mandatory retinue). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2484383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonic Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Gift of chaos is a pretty crappy power IMO. First off, it costs 30 pts. Second, it's used at the -start- of the turn, before any movement, assault, or shooting. You can't jump into assault and use it for instance. Thirdly, it has a 6" range. Fourthly, it requires a test on the targets unmodified toughness, with a natural 6 always succeeding. Vs a T4 marine this means you'll fail 2 of 3 times. So it's reasonably good for a second power on a tsons aspiring sorc(say, for killing hidden fists) or maaybe a daemon prince(still would prefer warptime and nothing else there though)if you have an extra 30 pts leftover, but I wouldn't bother bringing a direct counter, as it's a fairly useless(albiet powerful) power. If you're worried about psychic powers in general bring a hood, or keep your expensively kitted relicblade captain out of CC with a chaos psyker with gift unless you can kill them for sure in two rounds of CC, as gift would be used at the start of the next player turn. As a sidenote, turning people into spawn is about the most awesome thing ever, even if it is a poor overall use of 30 pts+a psyker. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2485484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Lorenzo Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Brother Gaius You didnt start this because of me did you? I look forward to saturday I can always use more spawn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2487261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted August 12, 2010 Author Share Posted August 12, 2010 lol actually you cant take all the glory, its a combination of you and Klaus; the demon player. One game I played him and I was boasting a little too much about how my Relic Blade stormshield captain has slain innumerable amounts of Daemon Princes... so I was like hey Klaus My Captains callin you out come get some. His Prince then flew over to me next turn and turned me into a spawn :P I said wait dont I get my 3++ Invuln save?! he said no :P LOL but yeah I think you got me with gift of chaos as well one game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208058-gift-of-chaos/#findComment-2487278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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