Kanazuchi Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 I was just re-reading ADB's excellent Soul Hunter and came across the passage where Talos is remembering the rising of his Primarch. He stated that the Night Haunter was never given a name as he wasn't raised by anyone. Yet, when the Emperor found him, he said "Konrad Cruze...be at peace." To which Cruze replied, "That is not my name, I am the Night Haunter." My question: Is this a plot device? Just something thrown in? Or did the Emperor really name his children before they were spirited away? I was always under the assumption that each was given their name on the world they were found on? Is there any canon out there to support or deny pre-birth names for the Primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Brother Osric Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I always thought Curze named himself while the name Night Haunter was given to him by the general populace of Nostramo after he got all vigilante. But I am probably wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2483748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I agree with Wolf Brother Osric on this one. Konrad Curze probably named himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2483819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalle Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 i've never read anything (that i can remember) that suggests that the Emperor named his primarchs before they got, lets say, kidnapped by the forces of chaos. According to lexicanum most (if not all)primarchs were named by the people on theyr respective planets i've never read anything (that i can remember) that suggests that the Emperor named his primarchs before they got, lets say, kidnapped by the forces of chaos. According to lexicanum most (if not all)primarchs were named by the people on theyr respective planets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 i've never read anything (that i can remember) that suggests that the Emperor named his primarchs before they got, lets say, kidnapped by the forces of chaos. According to lexicanum most (if not all)primarchs were named by the people on theyr respective planets The people of Kaliban need shooting. Seriously, a Primarch called Lionel? :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian MacKay Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 i've never read anything (that i can remember) that suggests that the Emperor named his primarchs before they got, lets say, kidnapped by the forces of chaos. According to lexicanum most (if not all)primarchs were named by the people on theyr respective planets The people of Kaliban need shooting. Seriously, a Primarch called Lionel? :rolleyes: His name is Lion El'Jonson. Not Lionel Johnson, like the poet that wrote "The Dark Angel." :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 The people of Kaliban need shooting. Seriously, a Primarch called Lionel? :rolleyes: His name is Lion El'Jonson. Not Lionel Johnson, like the poet that wrote "The Dark Angel." :) I'm aware of the origin of the name. This is just one of those occasions where the GW staff were mucking about and it kind of stuck. Like the Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian MacKay Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 The people of Kaliban need shooting. Seriously, a Primarch called Lionel? :rolleyes: His name is Lion El'Jonson. Not Lionel Johnson, like the poet that wrote "The Dark Angel." :) I'm aware of the origin of the name. This is just one of those occasions where the GW staff were mucking about and it kind of stuck. Like the Ultramarines. Ah, I see said the blind man. :) I think it was one of the "in" jokes for Merritt and Preistley that just stuck. :) So pretty much your thinking. If I could, I'd LOVE to spend a couple of days going through the original brainstorming papers from before RT was released. Just to see the thinking behind names and some of the other "What?" stuff they have hidden in the old books that has survived to today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Brother Osric Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Hey at least Lionel wasn't named after a damn fruit. Lemon? Seriously Fenris? :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2484424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hey at least Lionel wasn't named after a damn fruit. Lemon? Seriously Fenris? :P I've always wilfully chosen to pronounce it "Lee-man" Russ! Just like it's "lass-gun" and not "laze-gun" as far as I am concerned and damn the begrudgers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2487286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hey at least Lionel wasn't named after a damn fruit. Lemon? Seriously Fenris? ;) I've always wilfully chosen to pronounce it "Lee-man" Russ! Just like it's "lass-gun" and not "laze-gun" as far as I am concerned and damn the begrudgers! so it is a gun for girls? and not a gun that shoots lasers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2487651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hey at least Lionel wasn't named after a damn fruit. Lemon? Seriously Fenris? ;) I've always wilfully chosen to pronounce it "Lee-man" Russ! Just like it's "lass-gun" and not "laze-gun" as far as I am concerned and damn the begrudgers! so it is a gun for girls? and not a gun that shoots lasers? I pronounce them as they are spelt. le-man / las-gun (probably no noticeable phonetic difference to lass-gun or laz-gun) Does anyone actually say laze-gun? lol, is that a gun that induces apathy? My favourite dodgy pronunciation is Roboute on the Lightning Tower audio book. ON TOPIC- The primarchs were not pre-named. The Curze/Night Haunter thing was just a cool set piece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2487664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightlordsrock3564 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 dorns real first name was JEFF :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 My favourite dodgy pronunciation is Roboute on the Lightning Tower audio book. I read that his name was mentioned in that story and was immediately curious how it would be pronounced. I really liked the way the narrator did it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Given that Magnus apparently was able to speak to the Emperor when he was still in the embryonic state, it stands to reason he might have gotten one. The rest, I dunno off-hand. I know the bit about Curze/Night Haunter goes back to the IA article, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Hey at least Lionel wasn't named after a damn fruit. Lemon? Seriously Fenris? :P I've always wilfully chosen to pronounce it "Lee-man" Russ! Just like it's "lass-gun" and not "laze-gun" as far as I am concerned and damn the begrudgers! LeMan! And the Masters of the Universe! Just imagine the Heman themesong and you're there! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekelan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 LeMan! And the Masters of the Universe! Just imagine the Heman themesong and you're there! :) I approve of this post <_< Given that Magnus apparently was able to speak to the Emperor when he was still in the embryonic state, it stands to reason he might have gotten one. The rest, I dunno off-hand. I know the bit about Curze/Night Haunter goes back to the IA article, though. I didn't really buy the "I spoke with the Emperor while he was making me" thing, to be honest I thought it was bragging on Magnus' part - it just seemed too far out. (yes I realize all of the quasi-science is a bit far out but this one stretches believability too far for me). As for names, I don't think they got any before getting spread all over the place, though they might have (re)named themselves in some cases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Trader Voril Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Emperor names the Thousand Sons long before finding Magnus. Since he is suppose to be able to see the future maybe He just decided to use the names they would later come to have. But that doesn't really explain why so many name changes happened... Dusk Raiders into Death Guard, WarDogs into World Eaters... And who looks into the future and DOESN'T see Horus setting the galaxy to the flame?!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Emperor didn't see the Heresy coming because all four Chaos gods put their full concentration into keeping him from seeing it. It's why he refuses to even listen to Magnus when he tries to warn him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekelan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Emperor didn't see the Heresy coming because all four Chaos gods put their full concentration into keeping him from seeing it. It's why he refuses to even listen to Magnus when he tries to warn him. That, or He wanted it to happen, for whatever reason (perhaps a unified, non-heresy humankind would eventually have "gone Eldar" and spawned a fifth Chaos god). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanazuchi Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Emperor didn't see the Heresy coming because all four Chaos gods put their full concentration into keeping him from seeing it. It's why he refuses to even listen to Magnus when he tries to warn him. That, or He wanted it to happen, for whatever reason (perhaps a unified, non-heresy humankind would eventually have "gone Eldar" and spawned a fifth Chaos god). *Sixth. (Khorne, Nurgle, Slaneesh, Tzeentch, Malaal) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekelan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Emperor didn't see the Heresy coming because all four Chaos gods put their full concentration into keeping him from seeing it. It's why he refuses to even listen to Magnus when he tries to warn him. That, or He wanted it to happen, for whatever reason (perhaps a unified, non-heresy humankind would eventually have "gone Eldar" and spawned a fifth Chaos god). *Sixth. (Khorne, Nurgle, Slaneesh, Tzeentch, Malaal) Well.. I suppose. Malaal doesn't seem to have been mentioned since the early 80's though, I got into GW stuff around '90 or so, and have never heard of him(her/it/whatever). A new Chaos god then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Malal had never been part of the 40K universe to begin with. He was WHFB only. Much as we do not have a Horned Rat or Grungnir in 40K, there also is no Malal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2507976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanazuchi Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Malal had never been part of the 40K universe to begin with. He was WHFB only. Much as we do not have a Horned Rat or Grungnir in 40K, there also is no Malal. How do you figure? I think that the Sons of Malice short story hinted VERY heavily that Malal exists. Granted, they never came out and said it, but the fact that the SoM fight ferociously with other Chaos followers, their name (Malal = Malice in Eastern Indian languages) and their color scheme all combine to present a very telling argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2508029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Does that mean the Dark Angels are actually founded from the genes of a 19th century poet? GW has referenced a lot of history and pop culture in the past, and references to their own company material is not exempt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208143-the-primarchs-real-names/#findComment-2508074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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