Angelus boltguns as bolt pistols

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Technically the Angelus Boltgun is its own piece of wargear. However, it is a cool looking piece and it is tempting to use the extra ones on non-SG units to represent bolt pistols. What is the general opinion on this? Is it alright, or is it a WYSIWYG violation?

[Zealadin]

Cool idea.

It comes down to your opponent though, I can only imagine you would be facing a huge douchebag to have issues but it does happen.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Yeah it would just come down to your opponents. I don't necessarily think it's a big deal but there is that chance you might run into an opponent who will complain.

 

0b :)

[JamesI]

Didn't some of the models in the Codex do this? A sergeant or a captain perhaps?

 

I did it with my homemade Astorath. No one has complained yet.

[Kurb]

In a similar thought I was thinking of doing some Assault or/and Death Company with 2x pistols or 2x swords.

 

Would people poopoo on such ?

[Oloff Hammeraxe]

I wouldn't see it as a problem, because Counts As would declare that it's a custom bolt pistol made by the chapters best Artificers. Besides, if the unit in question doesn't have access to the Angelus, there should be no confusion.

[Volcatus]

Didn't some of the models in the Codex do this? A sergeant or a captain perhaps?

 

I did it with my homemade Astorath. No one has complained yet.

 

I thought the same thing when I read the OP's question. Pg. 73, top dead center. Assault Sergeant. It's an Infernus Pistol, however.

 

More on topic, it's a great idea. I'd even go so far to say that a VV squad would be perfect recipients for them.

[Redo]

I think it is a super idea and think that virtually not player would have a problem with them as Boltpistols. Certainly if they are informed prior to a game that they are BPs there shold be no issue. Indeed there are so many models of the Bolter and Bolt Pistol (Forge World just put out some rather different bolter models) that you could just tell an opponent that they represent an obscure model.

[Morollan]

In a similar thought I was thinking of doing some Assault or/and Death Company with 2x pistols or 2x swords.

 

Would people poopoo on such ?

 

I almost always have at least one such model in any CC unit that I make. My DC has a guy with 2 chainswords and in my CSM army I have several Khorne Berzerkers who are armed with twin pistols or twin chainswords. It just looks cool and anyone who objects really should get out more.

[Kurb]

In a similar thought I was thinking of doing some Assault or/and Death Company with 2x pistols or 2x swords.

 

Would people poopoo on such ?

 

I almost always have at least one such model in any CC unit that I make. My DC has a guy with 2 chainswords and in my CSM army I have several Khorne Berzerkers who are armed with twin pistols or twin chainswords. It just looks cool and anyone who objects really should get out more.

 

 

I think 2xpistol Assault troops would be killer.

[BrotherMoses]

I'm thinking about doing something similar with a veteran in my Vanguard. I want to use the big two handed halberd in the Sanguard kit as a counts-as Thunder Hammer. I may stick him with an angelus bolter that counts-as a bolt pistol depending on how hard it would be to convert a non angelus bolter arm to hold that particular weapon. I'm hoping I don't have to so that the only counts-as angelus bolter in my army is on my captain.

[Forgefather Vulkan]

I've made a sanguinary priest with the Angelus bolt gun for a count as bolt pistol and haven't had any complaints, to me it just looks like a fancy wrist mounted bolt pistol...

 

Forgefather

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Two bolt pistols looks cool and you can model the Marine to look like a gunslinger. It's okay for WYSIWYG since a bolt pistol counts as a close combat weapon.

 

0b :P

[Zealadin]

Not as cool as two nasty looking blade or hammer weapons however!

I think you should be pretty right using them as a wrist mounted 'pistol'.

Infact just remove the big ammo tube and you should be set!

[Angelus Mortifer]

I've never had a problem with this:

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/SebJones_photos/Blood%20Angels/LibKoris1.jpg

 

...or the marine on the left:

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/SebJones_photos/Blood%20Angels/AS2nd4.jpg

 

...and that's having also used them in several local tournaments in my part of the world. I think if you clarify the "Angelus" as a Bolt Pistol ahead of time you shouldn't have a problem. I also think the "rule of cool" should definitely apply in this case B)

[Yankeeguy0]

In a similar thought I was thinking of doing some Assault or/and Death Company with 2x pistols or 2x swords.

 

Would people poopoo on such ?

 

I too have done this with all of my assault squads. The marines with two pistol look too much like a gunslinger to not use them. In my reading of the rules since you cant fire two weapons in one turn and a pistol counts as a CC weapon from a rules standpoint they are identical to guys with a pistol/chainsword. My guys with two chain swords, however, have the pistol in a holster from the tac(?) squad box on their sides just in case anyone tries to get funny :P. But since you don't have to actually model standard war gear just upgrades I'd say this is optional.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

In a similar thought I was thinking of doing some Assault or/and Death Company with 2x pistols or 2x swords.

 

Would people poopoo on such ?

 

I too have done this with all of my assault squads. The marines with two pistol look too much like a gunslinger to not use them. In my reading of the rules since you cant fire two weapons in one turn and a pistol counts as a CC weapon from a rules standpoint they are identical to guys with a pistol/chainsword. My guys with two chain swords, however, have the pistol in a holster from the tac(?) squad box on their sides just in case anyone tries to get funny :). But since you don't have to actually model standard war gear just upgrades I'd say this is optional.

 

Pistols are not CC weapons. They just allow you to gain the extra attack as if they were. It's a fine line.

[Hergrmir]

I don't know if 5th explictly says that all models are considered to have a basic CCW or not. It used to be the case many moons ago, and so a sweet model packing two pistols would still, in my books, just pull out a sword. Or maybe he just happens to have a pistol shaped club.

 

Or whatever, carry one pistol and a balled fist, and maybe it's just a marine who's won some awards for pugilism.

[biglou666]

i love the idea of angelus boltguns as pistols. i would be surprised if anyone complained about that! tbh, even if someone in a tournament was being a douche about it, you could call over a sensible invigilator/ judge, and i dare say that even he would call the complainee a douchebag. btw, i love the librarian mortifer :)

[BlackSpike]

Pistols are not CC weapons. They just allow you to gain the extra attack as if they were. It's a fine line.

 

P. 29 BRB:

In addition, a pistol counts as a close combat weapon in the Assault phase.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Pistols are not CC weapons. They just allow you to gain the extra attack as if they were. It's a fine line.

 

P. 29 BRB:

In addition, a pistol counts as a close combat weapon in the Assault phase.

 

Yes, they count as CC weapons. They are not actually CC weapons. Yes I'm being pedantic here, but I'm just pointing out how it can get you into trouble if you are dealing with a real rules lawyer. You'll have no problem unless you are up against a real jerk, but It's good to understand the literal rules interpretation.

[Oloff Hammeraxe]

Pistols are not CC weapons. They just allow you to gain the extra attack as if they were. It's a fine line.

 

P. 29 BRB:

In addition, a pistol counts as a close combat weapon in the Assault phase.

 

Yes, they count as CC weapons. They are not actually CC weapons. Yes I'm being pedantic here, but I'm just pointing out how it can get you into trouble if you are dealing with a real rules lawyer. You'll have no problem unless you are up against a real jerk, but It's good to understand the literal rules interpretation.

 

You would get an extra attack for having two pistols. If P=C, and C+C=2, then P+C=2 and P+P=2 as well. If it didn't, it would say that pistols count as an extra close combat weapon IF paired with a CCW, not just straight up saying that they count as a CCW.

[Brother Kovash]

I also think the "rule of cool" should definitely apply in this case :)

 

 

I wish there were more people out there who appreciate little things like you do. The Rule of Cool should be in the rulebook.

[Brother Landrain]

I also think the "rule of cool" should definitely apply in this case B)

 

 

I wish there were more people out there who appreciate little things like you do. The Rule of Cool should be in the rulebook.

 

It used to be...

[Angelus Mortifer]

btw, i love the librarian mortifer ;)

Cheers mate :)

 

I also think the "rule of cool" should definitely apply in this case

 

I wish there were more people out there who appreciate little things like you do. The Rule of Cool should be in the rulebook.

 

Though still subjective, there is a far higher percentage of people who would concur with something that looked cool. Still waiting for the BRB Errata though ;)