First game with my Pups

[Einholt]

Apologies, this is abit of a rant post to let off some steam :P

 

Had my first game with my space wolves last week at the local workshop, it was against another player who hasn't played for fifteen years ( I haven't played for 10 myself), I have got back in to he hobby as me and wife moved three years ago and have not met any friends here yet so thought a gaming club was a good place to go and while I enjoyed the game the staff member really got on my tits and want some opinion of whether I did something wrong.

 

So it was a friendly 1000 points to play a game and get used to the rules and get to see the more intricate rules.

 

The mission was capture and control and we were put on a bare board where the only scenery was a hill at the back middle of each of our deployment zones and a building on the left of the board.

 

I set up second and put my objective on the hill and put my rhinos on the hill with their side armour facing the enemy which the staffer called me out for apparently being cheesy, I got more of this when I went to use Living lightning from a rhino fire point.

My idea was to have the rhinos side on for my first turn so that the long fangs and thunderwolves could come on and be screened from shooting for the next phase before I then moved the rhinos where I wanted my troops, so was I being cheesey?

 

I went along knowing my codex pretty damn well and also with a very good grip of the rules but the staff member seemed to exhale loudly everytime I brought something up like having the ability to negate an enemy psykers ability on a 4+, or that when he told eldar player to use bladestorm on the dire avengers, read me the rules then when he next turn told him to use bladestorm again on the TWC and I politely pointed out that they could not fire as they used bladestorm last turn I got a look of "oh come on" and another sigh, I paid attention to what I was shown 5 minutes before and pointed this out for the eldar player rather then so that he could not shoot at me.

I myself played fairly checking LOS and making sure he knew if he had a cover save, or when I took 25% casualties in a turn to remind him and me I had to take a morale test etc.

 

Also throughout all of this he was guiding the eldar player on where to move and what to shoot whereas I got no indication of what I should be doing tactically even though I had no idea what could do what in his army and instead most of my turns the staffer spent talking to the eldar player with his back turned to me even ignoring me at times when I had a question, all in all if I wasn't dead set on getting back into the hobby to make some new friends that experience would probably have stopped me from ever going back, also knowing once I have a few more games under my belt I can move on up to the Local gaming club and not have to play in that store again.

 

What I find amazing is that the store needs and wants my support (money) yet after an experience like that why would I want to when I was made to feel I was being a douchebag.

Was I being a douchebag?

 

Apologies again, I really just needed to vent after what could have been a much more fun game.

[Brother-Captain Lucius]

Wow :P If i was the manager in that situation and i was there he would have been fired. What you did with your Rhinos was being smart and tactical about it which is what this game is based on: Tactics. You werent the Douchebag, that staff member was, Especially as he was helping only the Eldar player.

[Crimson Devil]

I would report the employee to the manager. If nothing happens and he does it again, call him out for it.

[Einholt]

The staff member is the manager as its a one man store, glad to hear it wasn't just all in my head though.

[Stormbrow II]

So what if he says it's cheesy? Firing a RP's LL from a sideways facing Rhino is common sense. Sometimes I think its so rare its a fecking super-power...

 

Cheesy/"oh come on"

Next time the staffer says that tell him to shut his mouth and get people to play by the rules to make sure both players are on an even keel so neither feels cheated. Problem solved.

 

Send an email to his area manager - with all the price rises you'd think they'd be desperate to get people into their shops instead of buying their stuff online.

 

While the staff are supposed to ensure that both players have fun you don't want people picking up bad habits for the future so that when someone leaves their local shop they don't get called a cheater or criticised unfairly for their attitude that was allowed to develop elsewhere.

[Grey Mage]

The staff member is the manager as its a one man store, glad to hear it wasn't just all in my head though.

No, its not all in your head.

 

Sadly, this seems to be something that crops up FAR to often at GWs own stores. I suggest finding an independent store to game at.

[LPetersson]

I would report the employee to the manager. If nothing happens and he does it again, call him out for it.

 

Personally I'd call him out on it straight away, but I have a very low tolerenca threshold for such douchebaggery...

 

So what if he says it's cheesy? Firing a RP's LL from a sideways facing Rhino is common sense. Sometimes I think its so rare its a fecking super-power...

 

One might even say it's not common at all...

 

And to the OP, yeah, it sounds like the staffer was out of line...

[Ranwulf]

Damn.

 

Seriously man, you were not being a douchebag at all. You were calling your rights, after all, you are a client and as such, if they want you to come back they must treat with respect. Now, if the store clerk do that again, YOU call him for it. Not only for you, but ONE guy can send away potential players, and opponents, stoping our so loved hobby to grow.

 

Ran

[Wildfire]

I suggest finding an independent store to game at.

 

x2. I find that GW stores and staffers are generally of lower quality than those of independant stores. Indie stores also seem to have more adults, and consequently more mature and knowledgable players.

 

Just offhand, I'd also suspect it has something to do with your age. GW caters to the teen crowd, as they tend to have more disposable income and a higher turnover rate. Parents of teens will often be leery of letting their 14 yr old hang out in a store with lots of 30 year olds, so some GW stores attempt to discourage older players from using that store. I've found myself subject to that problem several times, where an employee will hassle me a bit then turn around and act super helpful and to a 15 yr old kid.

 

Then again, he could just be a jerk with a dislike of Space Wolves.

[Xeenos]

I find it VERY hard to belive that GW tells its people to try and get older people to shove off so the younger ones can play there.. just sayin.. that sounds so far out there its.. unlikly.

 

Just ask the guy.. "Hey, do you want my business or not?" Just be honist, tell him he is being rude, ask him if he likes his job and wants the store to remain open, kindly infourm him that to do so he needs to kiss the ass of everyone that comes in that door. If its a GW store, he has a manager, too.

[Vlk]

Definitely not your fault, the guy was just being an idiot. And the "friend" you were playing with? If that's what he likes, find another one...

 

"So it was a friendly 1000 points to play a game and get used to the rules and get to see the more intricate rules."

 

I say report him and change your gaming club.

[S. Bloodhowl]

Definitely the staffers fault man, although I'm not to sure about Wildfire's comment on Staffers trying to get rid of older gamers, in my store there are still loads of older guys who try to get in for a game whenever they can.

I think you've just been struck by the unluckiness of having a bad staff member (but then he does have to run a store solo, which must get stressful), the staff at my store (Dundee if you were wondering) treat all of us equal regardless of age, hell, they probably treat the younger ones a bit worse since the make this sound every five minutes "[insert staff member name], how does this work?" or "[insert staff member name], can you explain to me how to play this entire game, in fact I'm so lazy I'll just go eat whilst you play for me."

Seriously, some of the kids at my local shop have no respect for the Staff Members, who I have found amazingly kind and helpful throughout the 8 years of hobby I've had.

 

PS, Sorry for going off topic, I got a bit caught up in the moment

[Nacho Wolf]

Just cos I want to feel important, and not because I have anything new to say, yeah, the staffer was being a douchbag

[Max_Dammit]

In your story you talk of a club, why would you need games under your belt at a GW store to go there, just go there, you obviously know the rules and pay attention to detail and when thy show you a rule. so no need to go to a GW store, I asked for a game once but got no replay, so i just went away without spending a dime.

[Skalver]

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for a 1000 point introductory game. You start quoting rules left right and center and you complain that the store manager was being a dick?

 

It was an introductory game, you know, for people who want to learn the basics of 40k. If you know all the rules you don't need an introductory game. If I was running a store and someone showed up with that army for an introductory game I would tell them to go home and come back when they were able to play in a manner appropriate to the purpose of the game.

 

Your rules lawyering was totally inappropriate for the type of game. It showed that you were both wasting the managers time since you already know the rules and being inconsiderate to your opponent by disregarding the reason he was there.

 

I think the store managers behaviour was certainly far from exemplary but so was yours. You wanted a proper, competitive game of 40k.

 

Thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for an introductory game, I am still laughing that the store manager even bothered to let you play instead of telling you to go home and picking 2 units of grey hunters, a unit of blood claws and a dreadnought off the shelves and giving the guy who had showed up with the appropriate mindset for the introductory game a game that might make him actually want to stay in the hobby.

 

Its an introductory game, you let things slide, you let people take back moves, you let people use their fun abilities, you cheat a bit to give the underdog a chance. Getting tabled in turn two by some internet power list in your introductory game is not a fun introduction to the hobby, that you showed up with an army and a play style that suggests that is the experience you wanted to give your opponent suggests you had a totally inappropriate mindset for the game.

[Wildfire]

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for a 1000 point introductory game. You start quoting rules left right and center and you complain that the store manager was being a dick?

 

It was an introductory game, you know, for people who want to learn the basics of 40k. If you know all the rules you don't need an introductory game. If I was running a store and someone showed up with that army for an introductory game I would tell them to go home and come back when they were able to play in a manner appropriate to the purpose of the game.

 

Your rules lawyering was totally inappropriate for the type of game. It showed that you were both wasting the managers time since you already know the rules and being inconsiderate to your opponent by disregarding the reason he was there.

 

Soooo.... being prepared and actually reading the rules before you show up is bad? I think it shows preparedness and consideration for the opponent and those trying to show the game. I'm totally baffled by this. You act like he was doing something wrong by actually studying the rulebook first. No matter how many rules he had read, everyone gets stuff wrong. That's why you play a few intro games, to figure out what you're doing wrong. Not becuase you have no clue.

 

Introductory games are for people who haven't played a game yet, or at least for a very long time. If he hasn't played in 10 years, that's around the time 3rd edition came out. If he was from the 2nd game, he may as well have never played, it's a whole different game.

 

Personally, if someone came to me and wanted an intro game but hadn't read the rules and wanted them spoon-fed, I'd tell him no. I'm not a babysitter, and it's quite honestly disrespectful and childish to expect it.

 

And please explain to me how repeating rules that he was just told is rules lawyering? That's just good memory, better apparently than the one who told him in the first place.

 

I think the store managers behaviour was certainly far from exemplary but so was yours. You wanted a proper, competitive game of 40k.

 

Thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for an introductory game, I am still laughing that the store manager even bothered to let you play instead of telling you to go home and picking 2 units of grey hunters, a unit of blood claws and a dreadnought off the shelves and giving the guy who had showed up with the appropriate mindset for the introductory game a game that might make him actually want to stay in the hobby.

 

Again, baffled. Is there some list of available units for beginning players?

 

Its an introductory game, you let things slide, you let people take back moves, you let people use their fun abilities, you cheat a bit to give the underdog a chance. Getting tabled in turn two by some internet power list in your introductory game is not a fun introduction to the hobby, that you showed up with an army and a play style that suggests that is the experience you wanted to give your opponent suggests you had a totally inappropriate mindset for the game.

 

In intro games you most certainly do NOT let things slide, not rules in any case. You'll be reinforcing misconceptions. Better to break bad habits immediantly, for the beginner's sake. But especially you do not let a seasoned player instruct a beginning player in false rules, particularily when they'd been shown them just a few minutes before. And I didn't see anything about not letting people take back moves or use fun abilities. Not sure where you got that assumption from. If anything, his comments about reminding the opponent of morale checks and cover saves makes me think he may have been doing more to introduce his opponent than the supposed "expert".

 

No, I do not agree with your assumptions at all. I only help people who try, you seem to think it's acceptable to make others do your work for you.

[Roland Durendal]

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for a 1000 point introductory game. You start quoting rules left right and center and you complain that the store manager was being a dick?

 

It was an introductory game, you know, for people who want to learn the basics of 40k. If you know all the rules you don't need an introductory game. If I was running a store and someone showed up with that army for an introductory game I would tell them to go home and come back when they were able to play in a manner appropriate to the purpose of the game.

 

Your rules lawyering was totally inappropriate for the type of game. It showed that you were both wasting the managers time since you already know the rules and being inconsiderate to your opponent by disregarding the reason he was there.

 

I think the store managers behaviour was certainly far from exemplary but so was yours. You wanted a proper, competitive game of 40k.

 

Thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for an introductory game, I am still laughing that the store manager even bothered to let you play instead of telling you to go home and picking 2 units of grey hunters, a unit of blood claws and a dreadnought off the shelves and giving the guy who had showed up with the appropriate mindset for the introductory game a game that might make him actually want to stay in the hobby.

 

Its an introductory game, you let things slide, you let people take back moves, you let people use their fun abilities, you cheat a bit to give the underdog a chance. Getting tabled in turn two by some internet power list in your introductory game is not a fun introduction to the hobby, that you showed up with an army and a play style that suggests that is the experience you wanted to give your opponent suggests you had a totally inappropriate mindset for the game.

 

Wow way to generalize everyone who takes a RP, TWC and Long Fnags at 1000pts as taking "internet power list" types. I like competitve AND fun games. And guess what? In my 1000pt SW list I have 2 squads of GH's, a RP, a TWM Lord, a Lone Wolf, and a Squad of Long Fangs. Am I a WAAC gamer? Did I "steal" some internet list (I can assure you I didn't, I took my 2K list - which is on here somewhere - and paired it down to 1K...you know, what most list building people do)? Seriously, how can you say his list was uber when you don't know what the other guy had. Hell he could have had Eldrad, an Avatar, and 2 small Wave Serpent mounted DA squads, with something else tossed in to make 1K.

 

As to the OP, tough luck bud. I'd say try one more game at that place, and if the owner is still being obnoxious, I'd go look for a new club, or try and start playing at friends houses. Heck, one of the most fun things to do is have a 40K weekend, where you go to a buds house, drink beer, make some scenery, and have a game or 2. Totally relaxed, and it helps allows you guys to slowly build your own table and terrain so you can forgo cicrumstances like this in the future.

[Natanael]

If I were an Imperial Commissar I'd shoot the manager on the account of douchbaggery :D

 

Anyway, I agree with everyone else (except for Skalver, who should read this from 1st post:

 

So it was a friendly 1000 points to play a game and get used to the rules and get to see the more intricate rules.

 

before saying something.)

 

Anyway; go play at that club you talked about! If you happen to be in Malmö, Sweden you can join our club =D

 

- Natanael

[Casual Heresy]

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for a 1000 point introductory game. You start quoting rules left right and center and you complain that the store manager was being a dick?

 

It was an introductory game, you know, for people who want to learn the basics of 40k. If you know all the rules you don't need an introductory game. If I was running a store and someone showed up with that army for an introductory game I would tell them to go home and come back when they were able to play in a manner appropriate to the purpose of the game.

 

Your rules lawyering was totally inappropriate for the type of game. It showed that you were both wasting the managers time since you already know the rules and being inconsiderate to your opponent by disregarding the reason he was there.

 

I think the store managers behaviour was certainly far from exemplary but so was yours. You wanted a proper, competitive game of 40k.

 

Thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for an introductory game, I am still laughing that the store manager even bothered to let you play instead of telling you to go home and picking 2 units of grey hunters, a unit of blood claws and a dreadnought off the shelves and giving the guy who had showed up with the appropriate mindset for the introductory game a game that might make him actually want to stay in the hobby.

 

Its an introductory game, you let things slide, you let people take back moves, you let people use their fun abilities, you cheat a bit to give the underdog a chance. Getting tabled in turn two by some internet power list in your introductory game is not a fun introduction to the hobby, that you showed up with an army and a play style that suggests that is the experience you wanted to give your opponent suggests you had a totally inappropriate mindset for the game.

 

Okay I don't post much, I tend to lurk. But this is something I cannot just look at and not respond to.

 

You are talking to Einholt as if he has done something wrong. He has not. If you had read the first post properly, you would have seen that it was a game to get more familiar with the rules. It wasn't an intro game, it wasn't a tourney game, it was a friendly. You know, fun? That wonderful thing that makes this hobby so worthwhile? An intro game is for someone who can't tell a scatter dice from a measuring tape. A tournament is for people who want to prove they are the best. Freindlys are for everyone else. Lists don't matter in friendlys, it is purely for fun. In fact I think that wildfire should be applauded for his list. I for one could never for the life of me get a 1000pt list with thunder wolves to work as I'd be after entire packs.

 

Now that that is off my chest. I'll agree with everyone (except Skalver). That staffer was way out of line. In fact I'm suprised anyone with the potential to act like that would be allowed into the company. If it happens again, basically turn round to him and say if he dosen't back down, you'll complain to his boss.

 

Edit: oops,on side of wrong member. But what I say still stands.

[Zynk Kaladin]

*Gasp* You put the rhinos facing SIDEWAYS!?! Can you do that?!

[Casual Heresy]

Of course you can't. Everyone knows that when you are a newbie your not allowed to be creative or use tactics. You must only charge your models straight at the enemy, and never even think of turning vehicles so they get the best shot or armour facing to the enemies.

[Vixthra]

I think possibly what you encountered here is the general douchebaggery of a clique

 

 

clique

   /klik, klɪk/ Show Spelled [kleek, klik] Show IPA noun, verb, cliqued, cli·quing.

–noun

1.

a small, exclusive group of people; coterie; set.

 

 

These people, found very commonly in small circles of a specific hobby/club/group/gatherings tend to favour member of said 'Clique' as opposed to 'outsiders' such as your good self in this situation.

 

If it was me, I would have politely told him to step the ;) down and leave the game to continue its natural course as he was interfering and disrupting play

[chaplain belisarius]

thats not good man...you enjoying using the wolves though? they are good fun arent they...;)

[Frostwolf]

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for blah, blah, blah.1

 

 

Nice try Mr. Store Manager guy. Einholt already has exposed your douchebaggery, no need to add to it.

 

@OP, it's a sad thing that someone would behave this way. I had a very similar thing happen to me in a tournament where a kid came in with an army of dark eldar, which he had never played with, and had one of the tournament organizers pretty much coach him through the entire game.

It has already been said but it's worth mentioning again. Try to find a different shop to go play. Whatever you do, wherever you go, there will always be a-holes around that try and make themselves important by stepping on others. As courage wolf would say, if you don't look up to people, don't let the look down on you.

 

Enjoy your return to the hobby and make the sons of Russ proud brother. You did nothing wrong.

[Skalver]

Soooo.... being prepared and actually reading the rules before you show up is bad? I think it shows preparedness and consideration for the opponent and those trying to show the game. I'm totally baffled by this. You act like he was doing something wrong by actually studying the rulebook first. No matter how many rules he had read, everyone gets stuff wrong. That's why you play a few intro games, to figure out what you're doing wrong. Not becuase you have no clue.

 

Introductory games are for people who haven't played a game yet, or at least for a very long time. If he hasn't played in 10 years, that's around the time 3rd edition came out. If he was from the 2nd game, he may as well have never played, it's a whole different game.

 

Personally, if someone came to me and wanted an intro game but hadn't read the rules and wanted them spoon-fed, I'd tell him no. I'm not a babysitter, and it's quite honestly disrespectful and childish to expect it.

 

And please explain to me how repeating rules that he was just told is rules lawyering? That's just good memory, better apparently than the one who told him in the first place.

 

Knowing the rules and knowing when to adhere to them is a different thing. It seems this game had a huge difference in relative rules knowledge between the Eldar player and the OP. As such the guy running it naturally would coach the Eldar player more. You are all so quick to assume the store manager and the Eldar player (who hasn't been involved in the hobby for 15 years) are bosom buddies. Is it impossible to consider that he might have been trying to make sure that an obviously outclassed player actually had some fun during his first game instead of getting his ass handed to him?

 

I think the store managers behaviour was certainly far from exemplary but so was yours. You wanted a proper, competitive game of 40k.

 

Thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for an introductory game, I am still laughing that the store manager even bothered to let you play instead of telling you to go home and picking 2 units of grey hunters, a unit of blood claws and a dreadnought off the shelves and giving the guy who had showed up with the appropriate mindset for the introductory game a game that might make him actually want to stay in the hobby.

 

Again, baffled. Is there some list of available units for beginning players?

 

While I will certainly concede the possibility that the OP just happened, either through beginners luck or a particularly inciteful first reading of the codex, to choose an army which very strongly correlates with one of the most powerful tournament lists for Space Wolves, surely you can also concede that it seems reasonable to assume that since the OP reads and posts on this forum that he was well aware that the list he had chosen was a highly competitive one.

 

If you will at least concede it was a competitive list then you will, hopefully be able to see how the store manager might feel that bringing such a list to a beginners game was a bit of a cheesy move (I am not arguing that the OP did so maliciously, but the end result for his opponent is the same anyway). Probably the store managers main mistake was assuming this was deliberate instead of incidental which it seems to have been. The OP, presumably, brought a strong list because he wanted to play well, not because he wanted to give his opponent such an unmitigated drubbing that he would never want to play the game again. The store manager probably made a valid (but hasty) assumption that it was a case of a pretty well informed player wanting to steamroller a noob and the OP, by his constant quoting and inflexibility with regards to the rules did nothing to disabuse the store manager of that assumption.

 

Its an introductory game, you let things slide, you let people take back moves, you let people use their fun abilities, you cheat a bit to give the underdog a chance. Getting tabled in turn two by some internet power list in your introductory game is not a fun introduction to the hobby, that you showed up with an army and a play style that suggests that is the experience you wanted to give your opponent suggests you had a totally inappropriate mindset for the game.

 

In intro games you most certainly do NOT let things slide, not rules in any case. You'll be reinforcing misconceptions. Better to break bad habits immediantly, for the beginner's sake. But especially you do not let a seasoned player instruct a beginning player in false rules, particularily when they'd been shown them just a few minutes before. And I didn't see anything about not letting people take back moves or use fun abilities. Not sure where you got that assumption from. If anything, his comments about reminding the opponent of morale checks and cover saves makes me think he may have been doing more to introduce his opponent than the supposed "expert".

 

No, I do not agree with your assumptions at all. I only help people who try, you seem to think it's acceptable to make others do your work for you.

 

You are failing to see this from the store managers perspective. He sets up an introductory game for two players, he puts them on a table with no terrain, why? so they will learn the basics of shooting, what happens, one of them sets up all his troops hidden behind a sideways rhino. The SW player, in that moment, frustrated what the store manager was trying to achieve. When he is trying to teach the eldar player to use his psychic powers, the SW player insists on nullifying them with a rune priest hidden in a rhino again getting in the way of the purpose of the game, to teach how various abilities work. When he reminds the eldar player to use bladestorm (after he had to teach the eldar player about it in the first place) the SW player won't let him use it because he sees interpreting the rules strictly as more important than letting the eldar player learn which abilities he has at his disposal. I suspect if the store manager had been able to articulate these frustrations instead of just getting in a huff because of them this could easily have been solved.

 

Introductory games are all about letting people use the rules, the SW player played a denial game, he denied his opponents shooting, he denied his opponents psychics, he denied the guy running the game the flexibility he needed to make sure the eldar player learned about and would remember to use the abilities of his army. He didn't do anything wrong, it just seems to me that he failed to grasp what the store manager was trying to achieve and unwittingly frustrated the store managers goals at every point.

 

It sounds like nobody had fun with this game, the Eldar had no fun because his only experience was of everything he tried to do being prevented, the store manager had no fun because one of the people in his introductory game was playing in a highly competitive manner which prevented him from giving the other player a fun first game and the space wolf player had no fun because he failed to realise the game was a learning game and that everything he did, while in accordance with the rules, was getting in the way of that purpose.

 

So many people in this thread are so quick to villify the store manager. It is expedient to just blame one or the other sides but then the OP ends up without a local store to go to and the guy running that store ends up with a bad name. Be a bit more creative people, try to comprehend that it could just have been a case of a couple of misunderstandings, poorly communicated that ended up in a bad situation for all involved. The OP seems to me to have been overly competitive for what was supposed to be a friendly, learning game. The store manager didn't deal very well with that situation but that doesn't make him a bad or malicious person.

 

So let me get this straight. you show up with thunderwolf cavalry and a rune priest in a rhino for blah, blah, blah.1

 

Nice try Mr. Store Manager guy. Einholt already has exposed your douchebaggery, no need to add to it.

 

If I am the store manager simply because I can view things from his perspective then everyone else in this thread must be the OP by the same ridiculous logic.

 

I responded to Wildfire because he responded to my post, and did so without needing to attack me personally. The OP himself seemed interested in finding out if anyone else could see a different perspective on the events, I provided one possibility. The over simplistic, one guy is right, one guy is wrong, one guy is good, one guy is evil nature of so many of the responses in this thread is despair inducing. Start with the assumption that everyone involved is basically a good person. Now try to figure out what went wrong.

 

So if the OP is basically a good person, and if the store manager is basically a good person, and if the Eldar player (despite his heathen xenos loving ways) is basically a good person then how the hell did they all end up having such a bad game? Just saying the store owner was a dick leaves the OP without a store, the store without a customer and the Eldar without an opponent. Thats a lose situation for everyone involved.

 

The idea that the store manager digs up his mate, who hasn't played 40k in 15 years, the two of them conspire to pretend not to know each other, the eldar guy prepares a 1000 point army and they both do this just so they can eventually waste a few hours out of their lives just to have a laugh at some random person trying to take part in the hobby is laughable in its convoluted and twisted logic yet that is basically the explanation most people here are positing.

 

I could have chimed in with the same simple "Yeah, that store guy was a real :teehee:" responses as many have but that doesn't help the OP in any way whatsoever. Depending on where he lives avoiding that one store could mean cutting himself off completely from his hobby. That is not a helpful response. It is an easy and safe response to make but it is not by any means a useful one.