Vor Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 What sort of assets did the loyalist legions have while they held the palace after the virus bombing? We're playing this fight as the first in our 30k campaign this week (Thursday) and I want to make sure I only take units they would have had. Tactical marines and Devastators are a given. But what about Dreads? Terminators? Assault Marines? Tanks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 According to the write-up it was given in the HH novels, it was mishmash of squads since Horus, Fulgrim, Mortarian, and Angron sent down every Marine they weren't 100% sure about. I'd say there were Tacs, Assaults, and Devs across the board, and at least one Emperor's Children dreadnought was present (I forget his name). There was no mention of Loyalist armor, but its not impossible to say that they could have stormed Traitor tanks and taken over a Predator or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2488741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethus Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Ancient Rylannor, the revered dreadnought. Emperor's Children 1st Captain Saul Tarvitz had a conversation with Rylannor in orbit before planetfall, that's where the two of them agreed that Tarvitz should stay aboard and keep an eye on things they suspected. Other than him, there was no mention of loyalist heavy armor, the rest was infantry. Loyalists had no terminator squads either. Tactical, devastator and assault marines, with 1 dreadnought was all they had. The traitors on the other hand, used land raiders, tanks, rhinos, stormbirds and they had an Imperator-class titan, Dies Irae. The Dies Irae crewmen had a fight about which side to take, and hadn't loyalist crew member (I forgot his name pf) hesitated to shoot his friend who was a traitor, the battle could've been a lot different. With Imperator titan on their side, the loyalists would've held much longer and killed many more traitors. But regardless to that, the loyalists have shown they're true Astartes and how to fight to the end. May the Emperor watch over them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 actually, i remember a Death Guard dreadnought was mentioned as well, Huron-Fal or some such. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Sangha Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 The Wolf Lord is right. There was a loyalist Deathguard Dreadnaught named Huron-Fal, however he died because the life eater virus seeped into a small crack in his armour and ate away at him, causing him to self-destruct Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 The Wolf Lord is right. There was a loyalist Deathguard Dreadnaught named Huron-Fal, however he died because the life eater virus seeped into a small crack in his armour and ate away at him, causing him to self-destruct Just a little but important correction: Huron-Fal chose to explode, he decided to take his own life as a symbolic defiance to the treachery. Ahhh...Loved that moment in the novels :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 You've also got to remember that Assault Squads with jump packs were seen as the elites of the time, so probably a lot like the way first company marines are seen today. The key is not to take razorbacks, redeemers, crusaders or predator annihilators because they were all invented or discovered long after the heresy. You still have dreadnoughts and there is no mention of when the Iron Clad first came into service so you should be safe with that one. Terminators were in use although they seem to have added storm bolters and assault cannons to their arsenal in the most recent books which is kind of a shame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 the assault troops then were also using the Raptor jump packs and not the inferior ones that SMs are using now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2489657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The Wolf Lord is right. There was a loyalist Deathguard Dreadnaught named Huron-Fal, however he died because the life eater virus seeped into a small crack in his armour and ate away at him, causing him to self-destruct Just a little but important correction: Huron-Fal chose to explode, he decided to take his own life as a symbolic defiance to the treachery. Ahhh...Loved that moment in the novels :lol: Werent his words something like "I deny you this death" which, if it was, is totally awesome. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2490119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Just stay away from terminators and tanks i say. I dont think any tanks would have survived the fire storm after the life eater. Terminators and Landraiders would have been held back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2490321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 We're going to use the Chaos Codex to start with, to ensure we're only using items from that time. Obviously I'll not be using marks. As such, the army I'll be going with is: 3 tactical squads, with power fists, plasma guns and las cannons/missile launchers. 2 Khorne Beserker squads (World Eaters), power fists 1 Raptor Squad, power fists The rest of the points will be in characters: Loken Tarvitz Torgaddon Solomon Demeter Erhlen I also have Lucius, but he'll switch sides on a 4+ turn one, 3+ turn two etc. I get to setup the board however I like, and the defences around the palace will count as difficult and dangerous terrain for my friend to represent my guys having set traps etc. To win the battle I have to live till turn 6, forcing Horus to deploy more manpower to the planet and delaying his plans. My friend has without number on everything, and to win has to wipe me out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2490515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 We're going to use the Chaos Codex to start with, to ensure we're only using items from that time. Obviously I'll not be using marks. As such, the army I'll be going with is: 3 tactical squads, with power fists, plasma guns and las cannons/missile launchers. 2 Khorne Beserker squads (World Eaters), power fists 1 Raptor Squad, power fists The rest of the points will be in characters: Loken Tarvitz Torgaddon Solomon Demeter Erhlen I also have Lucius, but he'll switch sides on a 4+ turn one, 3+ turn two etc. I get to setup the board however I like, and the defences around the palace will count as difficult and dangerous terrain for my friend to represent my guys having set traps etc. To win the battle I have to live till turn 6, forcing Horus to deploy more manpower to the planet and delaying his plans. My friend has without number on everything, and to win has to wipe me out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2490517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 We're going to use the Chaos Codex to start with, to ensure we're only using items from that time. Obviously I'll not be using marks. As such, the army I'll be going with is: 3 tactical squads, with power fists, plasma guns and las cannons/missile launchers. 2 Khorne Beserker squads (World Eaters), power fists 1 Raptor Squad, power fists The rest of the points will be in characters: Loken Tarvitz Torgaddon Solomon Demeter Erhlen I also have Lucius, but he'll switch sides a 4+ turn one, 3+ turn two etc. I get to setup the board however I like, and the defences around the palace will count as difficult and dangerous terrain for my friend to represent my guys having set traps etc. To win the battle I have to live till turn 6, forcing Horus to deploy more manpower to the planet and delaying his plans. My friend has without number on everything, and to win has to wipe me out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2490519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillermus of Eisenheim Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 They'd have had a mix of different units, because anyone who was loyal to the Emperor was sent to the surface of Isstvan III. That would probably be a pain to recreate though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2491766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 I've added two Havoc squads to be my Devastators. 4x Missile Launchers in both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208564-isstvaan-iii/#findComment-2491966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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