marine77 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 This is a pretty elementary question, but are Thunderwolf cav instant death-ed at S8 and higher or S10 and higher? Basically, does their toughness increase work in the same way a bike model would or are they an actual T5? Also, does this count for Thunderwolf Lords as well? Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberclad87 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thunder wolves are a straight toughness 5, so you would need a strength 10 weapon to instant kill them. Same with the wolf lords riding thunder wolves. And if you need proof, check out the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine77 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 So it would seem that saga of the bear is pretty pointless on a thunderwolf lord unless facing a ton of vindicators. I was debating which would be better, saga of the bear or saga of the warrior born. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 not quite, there are many weapons out there that can instant kill a Wolf Lord without being str 10. Sicarius, Boneswords, Force Weapons, Khan, Skulltaker (think thats the guys name), Captain Al'rahim and Implant Attacks are all types of weapons that can cause intant death regardless of the models toughness, so it depends on the chances of facing those sort of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I would say in most environments other sagas would be better on a thunderwolf lord than that of the bear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDave Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I would say in most environments other sagas would be better on a thunderwolf lord than that of the bear. Honestly, I've been hard-pressed to find one that's really worth its points on him. A lot of people like warrior born - but I rarely find mine in combat for more than a turn at a time, and even then, it's usually with multi-wound MCs or something, so he'd be getting no extra attacks anyways... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I usually take either Bear or Beastslayer. Bear when I know I am going up against alot of heavy hitters and Beastslayer when I am low on points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I would say in most environments other sagas would be better on a thunderwolf lord than that of the bear. Honestly, I've been hard-pressed to find one that's really worth its points on him. A lot of people like warrior born - but I rarely find mine in combat for more than a turn at a time, and even then, it's usually with multi-wound MCs or something, so he'd be getting no extra attacks anyways... Pretty much the same for me. If anything, I seem to need Majesty the most on him, he's run away and been chased off the table at least three times in the last month. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2489984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDave Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I would say in most environments other sagas would be better on a thunderwolf lord than that of the bear. Honestly, I've been hard-pressed to find one that's really worth its points on him. A lot of people like warrior born - but I rarely find mine in combat for more than a turn at a time, and even then, it's usually with multi-wound MCs or something, so he'd be getting no extra attacks anyways... Pretty much the same for me. If anything, I seem to need Majesty the most on him, he's run away and been chased off the table at least three times in the last month. :woot: Ouch! It's only happened to me once in 3 months or so... I will say the most useful (if not situational) is probably Beastslayer - but something about taking that in an all-comers list just doesn't sit right with me... Honestly I'd much rather be able to buy a master-crafted frost blade for him... but oh well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 bear is worth the points I find especially coupled with a thunder hammer qnd storm shield ride him up to their heaviest hitter take what they can dish out, grin and say right my turn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The only Saga I've used is Saga of the Bear. Nothing says shock like taking a couple of terminator fists to the face, shrugging and swinging back (though with one wound I wasn't keen on charging his Librarian, so was content to just keep following him off the table). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I also support Saga of the Bear, though the weapon I'd give my Lord is likely a FB or WC with SS. It just feels more like what a WL would use, with high Init giving his swings a nasty greeting on the way in. Quick question, do TWC have Frags and Kraks? Can't remember, although they're pretty nasty without if that's the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 All Space Marines come with frag and krak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Thank you, that helps me out immensely. TWC getting stuck without them charging into cover wouldn't make much sense. Must be the lack of playing that is addling me lately. Store is moving, and they're closed for right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208656-thunderwolf-cav-and-instant-death/#findComment-2490799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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