HsojVvad Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I am curious is to who is the most powerful Dark Angel? At first I thought it would be Supreme Grand Master Azreal. Then I was thinking, if he ever died, it would be up to, Ezekiel to name his successor. So would that make Zeke more powerful than Azzy? I can't remember if I read it correctly that Zeke can do what ever he wants. He keeps to himself and hardly ever talks to anyone, and has free reign. So lets discuss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Scout Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 cypher ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2490059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldaggers Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 cypher ;) lol ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2490062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Azrael most likely. The successor is chosen by all the Grand Masters, not just the Grand Master of the Librariam. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2490817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Actually the current codex says each Supreme Grand Master chooses his own successor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2490891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennus Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 According to The Siege of Vraks (Forge World Imperial Armour book), Interrogator-Chaplain Belphegor seems to be Azrael's most likely successor. It seems like the Supreme Grand Master doesn't announce his choice of a successor, except upon his "stepping down" (i.e. mortal injury). It is never mentioned what would happen if the current Supreme Grand Master is killed outright, with no chance to formally name his successor - I would imagine that the Grand Master of Librarians could be informed of the secret choice, just in case of such an event. If the Supreme Grand Master had never named a successor... well, the first Chapter Master after the disappearance of the Lion must have been chosen somehow. They'd probably use the same process. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2491004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sharp Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Definitely Supreme Grand Master Azrael. He has that Supreme in front of his name for a reason. He exerts control over all the Unforgiven, not just the Dark Angels. I'd say that makes him pretty powerful, being at the head of a pseudo-Legion like that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2491163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennus Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 cypher ;) You know, for those of us who enjoy a good conspiracy theory, that's actually a pretty good answer. Face it, wherever Cypher pops up, the Unforgiven swarm in great numbers. You could say that Cypher has more influence on the Unforgiven than any of the known commanders. Of course, you'll run into people like me who believe that Cypher is secretly an agent of the Inner Circle (or maybe one faction within the Inner Circle). In any case, wherever Cypher makes an appearance, the Unforgiven invariably follow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2491295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer of Redemption Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 cypher :) In any case, wherever Cypher makes an appearance, the Unforgiven invariably follow. And more than once, this has turned out to be beneficial to either the imperium or the unforgiven. In terms of what we actually know, as opposed to what we think, I'd say Azrael is the most powerful member of the unforgiven. In the current codex, it is mentioned that one of the Supreme Grand Masters petitioned the High Lords of Terra for permission to create a successor chapter without giving them a concrete reason (I think this was the Defenders of Caliban, but I'm not certain on that), and the High Lords gave let him. I think that shows just how much power he has outside the chapter, as well as total control over the unforgiven, should he choose to exert it. --BoR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2491370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain mortis Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Definitely Supreme Grand Master Azrael. He has that Supreme in front of his name for a reason. He exerts control over all the Unforgiven, not just the Dark Angels. I'd say that makes him pretty powerful, being at the head of a pseudo-Legion like that. :cuss pah what nonsense! im the most powerful dark angel, well, i am over my plastic force of dark angels B) but yer, i agree with azzy as the man Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2491580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Azrael..especially if you think we are actually still a legion..:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2492344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 I was thinking Azzy as well as the most powerfull. But I can't remember where I read that Zeke could be more powerful, because he can name the successor for Azzy. Yes he does what Azzy says, but has free will to do what ever he wants. I thought maybe naming the successor could make him more powerfull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2492425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 Ah, I think I was mistaken of him naming the Grand Master for the Unforgiven, but he does have the final say in who goes into the Inner Circle. Even the Azzy can't even do that. So would this make Zeke the most powerfull? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2492430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer of Redemption Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 In terms of the chain of command, Azzy is at the top. This is balanced by Zeke, because he has the final say on who is in the chain of command, and I would guess that his voice carries a great deal of weight on other matters that the inner circle is concerned with. --BoR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2492450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Hail Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 It is believed that DA Chapter Master Anaziel made a strong request of the high lords of tera for a chapter to be raised late in the 37th millennium, that chapter is the Disciples of Cabiban (rummoured to be made for the sole purpose of hunting Cypher). So my vote goes to Azzy, although to have an entire chapter of marines to hunt only for you is kinda flatering.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2493437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Dajin Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 The Lion ofcourse. When he wakes, all unforgiven will rejoin the Legion and we shall march to Earth and restore the glory of the empire. We would wipe out the Lords of Terra and all others who would claim to do the Emperors work. Because for too long the humans have reigned in their own interest, instead of for the glory of the empire. Our Legion would start the new crusade and at it's head would stand the greatest child of the Emperor, The Lion. /rant :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2561403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Scout Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 cypher :D In any case, wherever Cypher makes an appearance, the Unforgiven invariably follow. In terms of what we actually know, as opposed to what we think, Now where is the fun in that. Speculation, rumor and induendo is much more interesting. Has it not been said that Cypher may yet save (or doom) the chapter? What is greater than that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208679-who-is-the-most-powerfull-dark-angel/#findComment-2561470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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