Olgerth Istaarn Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I have a box of Bloodcrushers on preorder, with the obvious and blasphemous intent to convert them into "Counts As TWM" Storm Dragons cavalry. I even came up with a good excuse or two. But, I can't be the only one with converting ambitions for the beasts of Chaos. Got plans? Share 'em. The infernal engines arrive in five days... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I intend to make a pack of TWC to accompany this bad boy, my Thunderlord: http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae39/phil363839/Thunderwolf%20Lord/DSCF2061.jpg?t=1282071531 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2490641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Instrument Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I intend to make a pack of TWC to accompany this bad boy, my Thunderlord: http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae39/phil363839/Thunderwolf%20Lord/DSCF2061.jpg?t=1282071531 This Sir is just watch I've been searching for to see how others are going to do the conversions. What legs did you use for the marine? Was there any chopping required? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2490694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I happened to use CSM legs, but any of the SM legs with a wide stance should do. Make sure you play around with the positioning before deciding on a course of action. I ended up removing and repositioning one of his lower legs to allow him to actually sit on his mount snugly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2490823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olgerth Istaarn Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 Great job cleaning up the juggernaut, and doubly so since this is a pewter one (right?). This certainly gives me hope and ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2490938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 If I had any skill at all with converting I would be right there with you on the bloodcrushers man. But alas, I suck. So I am going with super cheap non-GW wolves for now, and then I'll buy the eventual TWC models when they come out (especially if tournaments insist on GW only options then). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2490939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 believe it or not, this guy was fairly simple to convert. it's just a little trimming of the chaos-y points and covering up emblems with wolf totems. the plastic ones will be even better since it won't take a whole lot of effort to do the trimming, etc. looking forward to seeing everyone's take on these TWC when done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Well the Bloodcrushers are a bit more expensive than I was hoping but with any luck I'll be able to get a squad and a character converted up in a few months but unfortunately won't be able to make use of the new kits any sooner. And I look forward to seeing some new buddies for your Thunderlord wolf :P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Heresy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would like to use one for an ironpriest's thunderwolf. But I wouldn't use them for normal TWC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Beck Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I just wait till gw release regular plastic twc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would like to use one for an ironpriest's thunderwolf. But I wouldn't use them for normal TWC. See I like the idea of mechanical mounts more than Space Wolves riding giant wolves into battle, that just seems... ridiculous. But an iron behemoth now that... makes more sense. I also wouldn't hold my breath for official GW models, and might not even be plastic for that matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I agree with Vash. Mechanical cavalry makes much more sense both from fluff and "realism" points of view. Besides, they have a 3+ armor save...can't get that with just fur and a few random armor plates!!! And as far as GW making TWC goes, they don't appear to be on the building blocks yet. There are a huge number of other models waiting in the wings too, i.e. stormraven, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 believe it or not, this guy was fairly simple to convert. it's just a little trimming of the chaos-y points and covering up emblems with wolf totems. the plastic ones will be even better since it won't take a whole lot of effort to do the trimming, etc. looking forward to seeing everyone's take on these TWC when done. Two questions: 1) No green stuffing? Green stuff is my kryptonite. 2) Where do these emblems come from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Two questions: 1) No green stuffing? Green stuff is my kryptonite. 2) Where do these emblems come from? Doesn't look to be any greenstuff, and the bits come from the new Space Wolf Squad Box. Better yet though Greenstuff and Space Wolves go hand in hand, probably a skill you should invest in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olgerth Istaarn Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 I wonder if I can attach a saddle of some kind to the plastic juggernaut. And stirrups/footrests may be in order too. Hmm, greenstuff or chop up a bike? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2491912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Instrument Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I wonder if I can attach a saddle of some kind to the plastic juggernaut. And stirrups/footrests may be in order too. Hmm, greenstuff or chop up a bike? I'd just got for chopping up the footplate or the bike to make foot rests on the skinny waist part of the bloodcrusher, sorry I meant thunderwolf :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 stirrups and a sadle sounds like a really good idea. just make sure that they are proportional in size or it will look weird. also, be careful with the stirrups because making the marine's feet even on both sides of the mount will be extremely difficult because the legs on both the rider and mount are not semetrical (sp?). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Heresy Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I would like to use one for an ironpriest's thunderwolf. But I wouldn't use them for normal TWC. See I like the idea of mechanical mounts more than Space Wolves riding giant wolves into battle, that just seems... ridiculous. But an iron behemoth now that... makes more sense. I also wouldn't hold my breath for official GW models, and might not even be plastic for that matter. I could belive any other chapter fully augmenting a thunderwolf, but not the Space Wolves. The codex says that they join with thier mount on an almost spiritual level. I belive they would only use bionics as a last resort to save thier companions (I also don't think a Space Wolve would use a saddle for this reason). The Ironpriests on the other hand, I could imagine forging an entire thunderwolf and putting a brain in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I could belive any other chapter fully augmenting a thunderwolf, but not the Space Wolves. The codex says that they join with thier mount on an almost spiritual level. I belive they would only use bionics as a last resort to save thier companions (I also don't think a Space Wolve would use a saddle for this reason). The Ironpriests on the other hand, I could imagine forging an entire thunderwolf and putting a brain in it. Except the entire concept of Thunderwolves was made up for this newest Codex, makes absolutely zero sense and fits in with none of the Chapter's other background and is in the opinions of many (including myself) the height of stupidity. Marines riding around on giant wolves wearing no armor that somehow shrug off cannon fire? Yea... lost me there. With that kind of fluff I almost expect to see Dark Angels riding around on giant Lions and calling on the power of greyskull or some such and the potential for bear cavalry jokes is ridiculous. Maybe its just me, but Sons of Fenris riding around on giant wolves like something out of a Marvel comic just looks... lame. But again, giant steel juggernauts is... another matter entirely. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Marines riding around on giant wolves wearing no armor that somehow shrug off cannon fire? Yea... lost me there. If you get lost there, you'd have to get lost in oh I don't know, a thousand other ways too, because much of 40k is absolutely freaking ridiculous. There are lots of beasts that magically can shrug off bullets or yes, even cannon fire, so your complaint is about 40k generally and not the Thunder Wolves specifically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If you get lost there, you'd have to get lost in oh I don't know, a thousand other ways too, because much of 40k is absolutely freaking ridiculous. There are lots of beasts that magically can shrug off bullets or yes, even cannon fire, so your complaint is about 40k generally and not the Thunder Wolves specifically. No, its just about Thunderwolves. Very little in 40k is that ridiculous. Orks have an anatomy that is so extremely redundant and allows for them to soak up an immense amount of punishment before going down, something Thunderwolves have absolutely no explanation for. Tyranids have an armored exoskeleton and very little in the way of vital organs, they aren't meant to last long so stopping them in battle isn't easy, Necrons have living metal, Space Marines redundant organs and hardened bone structure. There's some sense in most of 40ks aspects and not a great deal gets away without some kind of justification or explanation. Thunderwolves on the other hand are so tough and nasty cause... cause... they are? The Codex really doesn't give any credible explanation for these fluff monstrosities, all it really says is they have a tough hide and sharp claws... ok, so does a Gaunt, that doesn't make it a T5, Rending, multi-wound beastie. Nor is it explained how Thunderwolves are even credible on a battlefield, without the ability to operate in the void, underwater or in hazardous environments like all Marines can, nor are they depicted with any armor to justify how these things manage to survive. Plus, as I said before, the entire idea is just ludicrous. Space Orks and Elves is one thing, and big bugs and Termi*cough* I mean Necrons are far from revolutionary or unusual ideas. But Space Marines riding mangy muts? Who thought that was a good idea? I said it before, I'll say it again, that idea is just as bad as Dark Angels riding Lions and calling on the power of greyskull to battle the Space Wolves. The Thunderwolf Cavalry is taking the whole Space Wolf thing just plain too far, right into the realm of the cartoonish and is really the only major problem I had with the Codex. Metal juggernauts, well that's more acceptable, a machine is going to be tough and strong, able to operate in all the same environments as a marine and will be able to shrug off gunfire like no wolf (no matter how big) could. Remember Space Wolves hunt these things with spears and knives and you expect them to cut it as cavalry mounts on a futuristic battlefield? I don't think so. Your going to have to do a lot better than challenge a Rune Priests fluff savvy to defend these things. That said we've moved off topic here. Point is the Juggernaughts give us a great opportunity for conversion and many (including myself... eventually) will be taking ample opportunity to make some awesome Thunderwolf units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I second Vash's comments entirely. We may play games in a space opera setting, but it still helps to have some semblence of plausibility. It is also easier to develop your own company's unique fluff that way. I agree that the bloodcrusher conversion isn't for everybody. However, I run a fully mechanized force and it blends in perfectly with my Wolves. To each his own. Even if GW comes out with official models, I will continue to use my mechanical beasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208750-five-days-to-bloodcrushers/#findComment-2492784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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