The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 well according to 2nd edition codex fenrisian wolves look like wolves, according to 5th ed codex fenrisian wolves seem to be more feline then lupine in form. however the wolf motif is clearly the terran type of wolf as seen on their iconography. I dont know I prefer the old second edition depiction of the wolves than this mutant bear type crap seen now (although i appreciate the expanding of fluff on them somewhat) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2493651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 be nice boys, Marshal Wilhelm is a fanatic*, and should be treated as such. Just let him rant and slowly get ready to taze him for promoting such heresies...*havent called you that in a few days, have I? ;) :D WLK Oh no, that's okay. I realise that me saying that SW are missing things on SW fluff will always get some kind of reaction [though I am not doing so for troll's sake] We'll have to wait for PB, and then I'll be back with a vengeance. ;) I didn't know paranoic was a word either :geek: so that was nice to learn. I am talking about the thrust of the naysmiths ideas, so remember that my claiming the adverse reaction only applies to some of the people, some of the time. Taze me?! el to the ohel2, I'm from the Pain Glove dearest. I have a taze with my coffee :) to be back with a vengeance, wouldnt you have to LEAVE first? and dont call me dearest while your wearing your sun dress...one more step and you'll be calibanite! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2493672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 hmk17 The first link is not really based on much evidence. while well though out and written it is just the poster opinion. Hardly any facts to back it up. the second link with your post is very much what my opinion is about the tutelries being seen by the wolves (without them being demons or Nids themselves) I guess the next book might clear it up Or not. The posts I linked were the counter proposal which stemmed from the challenge of "if not X then what?". If you want to delve back into that thread you will see the counter arguments made by several people to beat back the idea. Honestly, the idea of dredging all that up again tires me. Truthfully, Magnus' statements can be taken in MULTIPLE contexts, that was McNeil's purpose. I read that section about 4 times when I first got the book, as it threw me. My first reading had the opinion forming that they were daemons. The second gravitated toward human. The third and fourth locked me onto Xenos origin. Then during the end of the book, the Xenos is driven home for me. If Abnett does address this, I'm hoping he goes the smart route and leaves the current wulfen fluff in place; divorcing the "no wolves on Fenris" from the current pop-culture infatuation with werewolves. SOO much more can be done with that very loaded statement in terms of fluff. However, it could be left unanswered. A lot of stuff in 40k that is the best fluff stems from hints, clues, and unanswered questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2493851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironking Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 You all get very passionate about this. Once again - missing the point - I just want decent scary looking Fenrisian and Thunder wolf models. To that end I contacted 2 sculptors this weekend and will have preliminary sketches hopefully by Friday for comments. Once the sketches are finalized I'll get the first sculpt of both a Fenrisian and Thunderwolf. Dimensions that we're looking at: Fenrisian: 30mm at their highest point, 23mm wide and 60mm long (incl. tail) Thunder Wolf: 45mm at highest point, 35mm wide and 85-90mm long (incl. tail) Comments on the dimensions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2494106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 As for actual model: Get away from the ursine look. Get away from the porcine look. Get away from the rodent look. As we see on the upcoming cover of Prospero Burns, give me a Terran wolf evolved. I love my Mythicast TWM, but they do just look like oversized wolves. Nothing evolved but their size. I want bulk. I want enlarged jaws. Something even along the line of sabertooth type fangs (killing mammoths after all, teeth used by orcs as axes). I don't see them as being lean and sinewy. They should be masses of muscle whose speed comes from instinct and raw power. Google World of Warcraft orc racial mount. That is about as close as I can picture anything currently out, minus the cartoon look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2494435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 You all get very passionate about this. Once again - missing the point - I just want decent scary looking Fenrisian and Thunder wolf models. To that end I contacted 2 sculptors this weekend and will have preliminary sketches hopefully by Friday for comments. Once the sketches are finalized I'll get the first sculpt of both a Fenrisian and Thunderwolf. Maybe they'll be doing fancy tough Wolves for IA11? What are the dimensions of the Chaos Warhounds that are often used? I guess you don't like the Dire Wolves from the Vampire Counts range? All the bald spots give you plenty of room to put "steel wire fur" down.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2494453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Just to note, I understand Marshal's point of view. With the Black Templar's having a World Bearer's type zeal it is only natural for him to question something he cannot grasp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2494488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 You all get very passionate about this. Once again - missing the point - I just want decent scary looking Fenrisian and Thunder wolf models. To that end I contacted 2 sculptors this weekend and will have preliminary sketches hopefully by Friday for comments. Once the sketches are finalized I'll get the first sculpt of both a Fenrisian and Thunderwolf. Dimensions that we're looking at: Fenrisian: 30mm at their highest point, 23mm wide and 60mm long (incl. tail) Thunder Wolf: 45mm at highest point, 35mm wide and 85-90mm long (incl. tail) Comments on the dimensions? As long as they are huge, as big as or bigger than the philipino ones and the dandy one I would be fine with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2494543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 You all get very passionate about this. Once again - missing the point - I just want decent scary looking Fenrisian and Thunder wolf models. To that end I contacted 2 sculptors this weekend and will have preliminary sketches hopefully by Friday for comments. Once the sketches are finalized I'll get the first sculpt of both a Fenrisian and Thunderwolf. Dimensions that we're looking at: Fenrisian: 30mm at their highest point, 23mm wide and 60mm long (incl. tail) Thunder Wolf: 45mm at highest point, 35mm wide and 85-90mm long (incl. tail) Comments on the dimensions? the prelim judgments on dimensions are to put a thunderwolf next to a Rhino (tank). If it stands about as tall and as long, it will receive a salute of ale mugs. Something about the size of a Space Marine Bike would be great t for a Fenrisian Wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2495188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironking Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 All good comments. But PLEASE can someone talk in mm or inches. As for actual model:I want bulk. I want enlarged jaws. Something even along the line of sabertooth type fangs (killing mammoths after all, teeth used by orcs as axes). I don't see them as being lean and sinewy. They should be masses of muscle whose speed comes from instinct and raw power. Google World of Warcraft orc racial mount. That is about as close as I can picture anything currently out, minus the cartoon look. Regarding the WoW Orc Wolf-rider thing- http://media.wow-europe.com/vault/wallpapers/orc/orc-800x.jpg http://images.wikia.com/warhammeronline/images/2/2c/Goblin_mount_concept.jpg I presume you are referring to something like this? Well to be honest I quite like the Dungeons of Dread Dire Wolf - its got a good menacing look to it - I was thinking of something like that crossed with the artwork in the WolfDex crossed with the features of the WoW Werewolves http://werewolf-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wow-worgen.jpg All in all I agree that thunder wolves should be a cross between Hulk and a prehistoric Dire Wolf. But PLEASE can someone talk in mm or inches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2495525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Beck Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 the aint wolfs but chaos warhounds ;) :ph34r: :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2495802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironking Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 the aint wolfs but chaos warhounds :D :ph34r: :ph34r: huh? I don't have any vehicles - could someone provide me with some measurements in mm or at least tell me if my current measurements are suitable. For those who haven't seen the dimension (inches are approx. and badly rounded): Fenrisian: 30mm (1.2") at their highest point, 23mm (0.9") wide and 60mm (2.4") long (incl. tail) Thunder Wolf: 45mm (1.8") at highest point, 35mm (1.4") wide and 85-90mm (3.5") long (incl. tail) PLEASE can someone talk in mm or inches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2495851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balroth Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 A quote from Wolfblade might help. Referring to the heads of wolves and elk on the walls of a tavern: Ragnar supposed they must have been borne outwards with the original migration from Earth. Or, considering this is the opinion of a young Blood Claw (OK Wolfblade, but Blood Claw in terms of experience), maybe not... -B Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Occam's Razor dictates that they are just evolved from Terran wolves. Nice little find Balroth in regard to bringing up the most simple explanation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blckbuster Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Occam's Razor dictates that they are just evolved from Terran wolves. Nice little find Balroth in regard to bringing up the most simple explanation. occam's razor applies poorly to works of fiction filled with the impossible for the sake of epic entertainment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Occam's Razor falls flat on it's face if we are trying to apply reality to a fictional piece of work indeed. However the debate is not trying to apply reality to a fictional work. We are only arguing fictional points in a fictional world, and within that context and understanding, Occam's Razor is easily applied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironking Posted August 25, 2010 Author Share Posted August 25, 2010 Ok, ok, ok - I no longer care if they are genetically enhanced human-wolf hybrids, mutated terran wolves or the Dalai Lama's pet Chihuahua "Mr Fuzzy" on steroids. What I am now interested in is scale, sizes, measurements... Fenrisian: 30mm (1.2") at their highest point, 23mm (0.9") wide and 60mm (2.4") long (incl. tail) Thunder Wolf: 45mm (1.8") at highest point, 35mm (1.4") wide and 85-90mm (3.5") long (incl. tail) Is that suitable? Should they be bigger? Longer? Shorter? Higher? Wider? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Is that suitable? Should they be bigger? Longer? Shorter? Higher? Wider? The should be whatever you wish them to be; none of the Frater are putting time/money into the project, so go with what you think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/208922-wolves-of-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2496741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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