Subjagators

[blooddragon]

Anyone have any info on the Subjagators aside from the tiny bit of fluff that does exist? Are they/can we speculate strongly they are IF successor? What founding etc...

[Espada Azul]

Here.

 

I don't understand why this is in Liber though, unless you have plans on expanding what little background they have.

[blooddragon]

I wanted to find what was cannon on them so I would know what to incorporate into the IA for them I am going to work on. I found some links that infer to them being 26th founding but no definite proof. Want to make them an earlier founding if it is not cannon. So yes it is here because I plan on expanding them.

[Commissar Molotov]

The user Hasoroth did the Subjugators as a DIY a while back - he eventually dropped them and moved on to other topics, but many of the points (including the irregularity around their founding) are covered in his first IA discussion thread. Hopefully that'll prove useful for you. Thread II is here and the Third thread was his final draft.

 

The Subjugators' fluff is a little awkward -- you can read further details here:

 

Well, the initial quandry with the Eye of Terror background is that the Subjugators are noted as being 'recently' Founded. In some sources they're noted as only having Five Companies - and yet they were (if you take the 26th Angle) created 250 years prior to the Black Crusade.

 

That suggests two things. If you're a conspiracy theorist, then they were created somehow after the twenty-sixth founding. Otherwise, it suggests that they've somehow been hardly able to recruit. Problems with gene-seed? Issues selecting appropriate candidates? Something's up.

 

But then you have to consider that the Subjugators were mentioned twice in the Apocalypse rulebook, one of which mentions a Battle-Company participating in a war in 018.M41.

 

So something's wrong. You can certainly chalk it up to GW making a mistake. But I'd like to see DIYers moving away from that, and incorporating these disparate accounts wherever possible.

 

The most difficult option (from the point of view of the writer) would be to suggest that the Subjugators were created sometime prior to 018.M41 - the reference to 'recently founded' in 999.M41 perhaps suggesting that they lost time somehow. This could be a prime opportunity to utilise the 'lost in the warp' cliché to your advantage - by reclaiming it and un-clichéing the cliché.

 

However, that'd be a lot of work. I do think you need to acknowledge the Therrix suppression, though.