Lord Vicarius. The orks...they are aproaching sir.

[thundrchickn]

"Lord Vicarius. They orks...they are aproaching sir."

 

"Tell the Foehammers to assemble and make the planet tremble." -Vicarius

 

 

Today was a nasty fight against a really good players tourney list. He wanted to try out some stuff and see what he could do. Now normally I run a razor rush list but today(seeing as I had to write out a list for 1850) I'd try out my alternate termie list.

 

Blood Angels

 

librarian termie armor/SS sword shield

Reclusiarch

 

2 SP with power weapons

Furioso heavy flamer BT EA

Assault termies 4 hammers LRC EA MM

 

2 5 man assault squads power weapon flamer RB with TL heavy flamers

10 man RAS power weapon flamers rhino

 

2 Preds with LC spons

 

Da Orks

 

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5674/orksvba006.jpg

 

A 900 point nob biker blob with every upgrade available.

SHokk attack gun

 

2 30 man boys squads with rockets

 

2 15 man loota squads

 

The game is 5 objectives, dawn of war. I would go first and elected to walk everything on in the first turn. He started with his Nob blob on the table and a boys squad. This is how it looked after I drove everything on during my first turn.

 

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6902/orksvba001.jpg

 

Turn 1

Drive on the table. My shooting does zero because of night fighting. Bring it on Orks.

 

He walks 1 set of lootas behind his boys squad which is making its way between 2 sets of trees and close to 2 objectives. The other boys and lootas come up in the other corner with the boys shielding the lootas. The Nob Blob comes speeding right at me. At the time he said he would make it a quick game because he thought I made a major mistake. He multi assaulted a RB, my LRC, and my rhino. He tried some shinanigans trying to pick and choose what would assault what and called him on it. You need to assault closest to closest unless you can't get base to base so he used his long bases to try to get what he wanted anyways. More of this stuff happened and I don't think I'll be playing him again.

 

He immobilized my RB and rhino and that's it.

 

Turn 2

 

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1007/orksvba002.jpg

 

So this is how I was set up at the beginning of the last turn and you can see the Nobs out there. I finagelled the Dread off to the side enough to turn and back up the LRC. The squads in the immoblized vehicles got out and got into flamer position. The Termy/chappy/libby got out of the LR and were standing should to should with the Dread. My unhurt RB got into position to flame the Nobs. Then we charged. He lost by 7 wounds and only had 1 guy left with 1 wound. He ran so far so fast I almost didn't see the yellow on his back. This is what was left.

 

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4177/orksvba007.jpg

 

On his turn he took shots at me with his lootas. I thought he rolled 4 wounds with his shokk attack gun so I put out my wounds and got down to rolling wounds. I rolled 1 dice for my first wound on my Reclusiarch and failed. He then told me he didn't finish rolling to wound(what the heck were you rolling then?) and did less wounds and then said the 1 rolled on my reclusiarch stays. I made the point he didn't make it clear what he was rolling and if I known it was only gonna be x number of wounds the reclusiarch wouldn't take 1 as he's the most important guy. I only put 1 on him because I had to put 1 wound on everyone in the squad. I conceded and said press on. The reclusiarch was insta killed. No biggy. I'm certain he wasn't to happy I stomped his 900 point nob thing into the dust in the first round of combat. Didn't do much of anything other than that.

 

Turn 3

 

The Termy squad mount up and plows downfield with the Dread. The 2 RAS squads that lost their vehicles spread out to take the 2 objectives near me and the RB goes speeding towards the boys with the 2 objectives. The LRC PoTMS shoots it up on the other boys squad directly infront of my army.

 

His turn he tried a second shenanigan move. He moved all his boys around the RB to shoot and then assault. He shoots his boys rockets at my RB and does nothing then shoots his lootas into the RB destroying it. I take no casualties from that and then he tries to shoot the same boys from before at my squad that was inside the RB. I ask why he's doing this. He says He can fire at the unit now that it's out of the vehicle. I make him aware he already shot with his unit. He Procedes to tell me he's shooting at the same unit blah blah blah. I wouldn't let him do it because that unit already shot at the RB with the rockets and thats when the rest of the boys should have shot. When he goes to assault he starts moving stuff and I let him know he has to roll for assault as 2 of his guys are in cover. He looks at me and says I meant to move them before out of cover. I reply "that sucks". I'm getting really fed up because he's clearly trying to cheat on everything. He rolls for assault and only gets half his guys in combat with my squad. I won combat only taking 2 wounds from power claw.

 

Turn 4

 

I forgot to take pictures around this point because I got so tied up with him trying to pull the wool over my eyes to many times. The dread and LR move up full steam ahead to punch faces. Next trun they should be able to assault and contest an objective. The squad fighting the cheater boys on the right hand side of the table lose another guy and he still loses combat.

 

He shoots everything at the dread detroying an arm and it can't shoot next turn. He loses combat again in cheater boyz world. Another thing he did I wasn't too happy with was that he pulled the boys out of the blob to "count" how many guys he had and see who was attacking who. I saw it as rearranging where his guys were so later on his move would get him closer to objectives and what not. My blood is on fire now. He loses combat again but I'm down to just the SP.

 

Turn 5

 

The libby/termy squad assaults the boys squad in the trees pulling them off the objective. My Dread then piles in after them. My Pred drives up full speed to ensure that no matter what that objective is contested. My 2 final termies die but the libby and dread are still rocking. The SP in cheat boy land died and he consolidated to hold both objectives on his next turn.

 

His turn he tries shooting my pred with his lootas. His boys kill my libby but he lost combat to my dread. His boys squad on the right hand side spread out to hold the 2 objectives.

 

Game goes on to turn 6

 

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4016/orksvba012.jpg

 

As you can see my LRC deiced to harass the lootas and killed a bunch of them. The boys lose combat again and he makes his leadership.

 

His turn is desperate shooting. His lootas on the right hand side shoot at my large squad but only kill a few. Here's the last cheater thing he did. He never moved his shokk attack gun out of the loota squad or just annouce it seperated from the squad. He even says in the shooting phase "yeah he's gonna break away from the lootas so he can shoot blah blah blah. I don't care anymore. Not playing this guy ever again. he missed with the shokk attakk gun but his lootas destoy my pred.

 

 

Game ends in a draw. Thank god it's over. I don't think I could have pulled off the win because I lost so much mobility but denying all his shenanigans definately prevented him from stealing a win from me.I wish this BATREP was better for anyone reading. Hope you like added pictures. I'm going to try taking them for every game. Especially since my army is looking better and better weekly paintwise.

[Lanfear]

thanks for the nice report!

To the reclusiarch, librarian and sang. priests, as they are independent characters, he could have picked them anyways, nor?

 

I had a similar game where someone took advantage of my noobishness (was my first game ever) and bend the rules to his favor too. I lost terribly, wasnt a goos game either.

So its good to read that you pulled out a draw :wallbash:

[Taranis]

I like your battle report. Good result taking in the circumstances. That kind of behavior can make anybody feel like a wounded Lemartes!

[Redo]

I enjoyed your report, thought both armies look really good too. With two great looking armies the game should be a lot of fun. I think you did well to keep cool and shrung of some odditities.

[thundrchickn]

I think I stuck it out because I wanted to beat this guy even though he was bending the rules(giving him the benifit of the doubt here) so much.

 

To Lanfear he can not pick out stuff during the shooting phase. He hit the squad with a template and I thought he rolled 4 wounds which is how big the squad was at the time. I left it as is because that was my mistake. I didn't argue it but it determined for me that we were gonna play tourney level as opposed to a fun pick up game.

 

I'll give this guy credit his army is smoking hot to look at. Mines so so. At least I put some paint on my models :D I wish more gamers would get into the painting aspect at least to the point they'd basecoat their models. As I do more BATREPS you'll notice a lot of people around here don't paint anything.

 

Thanks for the comments guys.

[Brother-Captain Devlonir]

Wow.. it cost some of your resources to 'trap' him into charging your vehicles.. but the counter attack was really impressive! Taking out those Nob Bikers in 1 turn of assault is massively succesful. And looking at the big end of turn 1 picture he was really lured into it by placing all your vehicles except the baal there. That's some good placement decisions my friend, I salute you for tactical prowess!

[lorider2]

Good report. I think you did all the right things, except you lost me for a bit on turn 3. Since his boyz and rockets shot your RB, but the lootas destroyed it, the boyz should NOT have been allowed to charge. As they shot at the RB, and the marines inside are NOT the same unit. The rules are very clear on this. You can shoot the vehicle AND charge the men ONLY if that unit is the one who destroyed it.

[thundrchickn]

Good report. I think you did all the right things, except you lost me for a bit on turn 3. Since his boyz and rockets shot your RB, but the lootas destroyed it, the boyz should NOT have been allowed to charge. As they shot at the RB, and the marines inside are NOT the same unit. The rules are very clear on this. You can shoot the vehicle AND charge the men ONLY if that unit is the one who destroyed it.

 

I'm gonna have to reread that. Do you know what page thats on. I interpretted it as they did shoot the same unit but if it has to be the unit that opened the tank, that'd be great.

[JamesI]

Good report. I think you did all the right things, except you lost me for a bit on turn 3. Since his boyz and rockets shot your RB, but the lootas destroyed it, the boyz should NOT have been allowed to charge. As they shot at the RB, and the marines inside are NOT the same unit. The rules are very clear on this. You can shoot the vehicle AND charge the men ONLY if that unit is the one who destroyed it.

The rules say shot, not destroyed.

 

There is a lengthy argument thread in the OR about this.

[Leonaides]

And he might have been ok with the initial charge by the Nobs unit. The rule says you have to move the closest initial model from the charging unit into the closest model in the unit being charged. I'm not sure if that actually has to be by the shortest possible route (but I dont think it has to be). After that, he can move any model he wishes, in any order he wishes - as long as he attempts to engage unengaged models in the unit he charged first, and his own unit remains in coherency distance. I'm not sure exactly how he was moving the nobs, but you might want to go thru that section of the rules carefully to double-check it.

[Black Memories]

And he might have been ok with the initial charge by the Nobs unit. The rule says you have to move the closest initial model from the charging unit into the closest model in the unit being charged. I'm not sure if that actually has to be by the shortest possible route (but I dont think it has to be). After that, he can move any model he wishes, in any order he wishes - as long as he attempts to engage unengaged models in the unit he charged first, and his own unit remains in coherency distance. I'm not sure exactly how he was moving the nobs, but you might want to go thru that section of the rules carefully to double-check it.

 

 

That's 100% correct, I got into a similar situation before where I was told i could only charge certain things (they were dead wrong). Infact the rule book says once the first model is moved into combat any model from that unit can charge any other model or unit it can get in contact with and still maintain unit cohesion (thus allowing multiple assaults), and actually goes so far as to encourage such actions. It very clearly reads that the closest to closest is only the first model, so he didn't do anything wrong. It does say models have to try to get into base is necessary, but the over ruling factor is cohesion, if a model is required for cohesion but cannot make base while maintaining it, it simply doesn't make base but keeps the unit cohesive (base is optional, cohesion is not). Turning the models sideways is wickedly cheap though, and actually made me laugh out loud.

[thundrchickn]

I'm thinking for next time against hordes and orks in general I'm gonna run this list.

 

libby termy armor SS

 

chaplain

2 SP w/ power weapons

assault termies 4 hammers LRC EA/MM

 

4 5 man RAS flamers/power weapons/RB with flamers and/or assault cannons

 

2 vindies

 

I think thats about 2k and I can just drop a RAS to make 1850. It'll give me 1 more scoring unit which would have made all the difference on the left hand of the board especially with a second SP. The preds were useless the entire game and the Furioso was a major disappointment. It's good for tieing stuff up but it just doesn't win by itself.

 

the way he was initially doing it was jacked up as the LR was a good 4 inches in front of everything with the other vehicles off to the sides 2-3 inches. It was like he was trying to blanket all my vehicles and I've never seen anyone try to surround 3 vehicles like that. I remember their being something in the charge rules where you move directly towards the unit you've declared the attack on and if you cant get into b2b then you can attack the next nearest target if you can maintain cohearency. Gonna have to reread another section. lol i do know the rules very well but not enough for some of the tournament style shenanigans btw. still learning all the super cheesy stuff that shouldn't be legal like this stuff.

[lorider2]

Good report. I think you did all the right things, except you lost me for a bit on turn 3. Since his boyz and rockets shot your RB, but the lootas destroyed it, the boyz should NOT have been allowed to charge. As they shot at the RB, and the marines inside are NOT the same unit. The rules are very clear on this. You can shoot the vehicle AND charge the men ONLY if that unit is the one who destroyed it.

The rules say shot, not destroyed.

 

There is a lengthy argument thread in the OR about this.

 

Hmmm. I guess it wasn't as crystal as I thought then. p67 "if a transport is destroyed by a ranged attack, the unit that shot it may assualt the now disembarked passangers."

 

I guess you can read this as "any unit that shot at IT (aka the transport)" but I read it as "THE (singular) unit that shot a destroying range attack (as that attack specifically is what is being referred to here)" may assualt the troops.

[David the Despoiler]

lol i do know the rules very well but not enough for some of the tournament style shenanigans btw. still learning all the super cheesy stuff that shouldn't be legal like this stuff.

 

My friend, it's impossible to know what some people will do. One person at a local GW tournament did the following;

 

"Okay, I'm going to shoot at your squad of boys that are out in the open... I did 8 wounds."

 

"Okay, let me roll my 4+ cover saves here..."

 

"Wait, they're out in the open, you don't get a cover save."

 

"Okay, since we're having a dispute over cover saves, according to the rulebook, I get a 5+ cover save."

 

But I digress. I've had similar things happen to me, like the guy declaring that he moved 6" yet was still going "full out" since technically as long as he moved a millionth of an inch over 6 it was still full out. Like, really, some of the pre-teens at the store played more fairly then some of the adults.

 

But rather then let this digress into a hateful post, I'll get back on topic. I appreciated the pictures of your bat-rep, your models are coming along nicely. And the Dreadnought is never really supposed to win fights on its own. I usually see it as a way of tying units with a lack of anti-tank melee, the same way Boyz squads tend to tie up things incapable of reaping out an excessive amount of wounds.

[Angelust]

Sounds like the guy was being a total douche. It's too bad his stuff seems so well painted. Usually when I run into those kinds of players, they are running a bare plastic gray army of death. Once I played a guy playing WHFB with Vampires, and his skeleton units were basically just empty bases and tomb-stones and bits of hands and things. It was a pride-wounder when he ground my fairly well painted WoC army into the dust with them.

 

Sounds like you did all the right things, and came out fairly well against a tourny list. Even in competitive games, I feel it's somewhat unsporting to gain such a wide margin of advantage from a rules oddity like the wound allocation system. Nob Bikers seem to be the paragon of this, and I usually want to pull out a Baneblade or something when I see them.

 

Great bat-rep, I really look forward to reading good bat-reps with pics of well-painted armies, and your rep was a great example of that!

[BrotherMoses]

Atleast he had the decency to paint his stuff. Btw I'm very happy that you're representing us as well with that nicely painted army.

 

I can't decide sometimes if wargaming itself brings out the worst in people or if it just attracts a bunch of low quality people. It really drives me nuts sometimes.

[thundrchickn]

douchebags will be around where ever you go and to back out of the game halfway would have been a cop out because you're going to have to deal with douchebags in real life eventually. I'm hoping by the end of the week I'll have my marines on their resin bases. Today is assembly/basecoat for the termy squad because they're a little too gray.

 

Thanks for the replies guy. I've played a few guys yesterday but I'm not going to be doing a Batrep for them because my cameras battery was deadand 1 chased me down after the 3rd week in a row and his list name was blood angel tank killer. Now I'm no scientamolagist but I think he tailored his army to beat mine into the dust. hmmmmm. maybe just a little bit. It didn't go well at all and I conceded the game as we had already gone 30 minutes past the stores closing time. I used my razor rush list and not the hammer deathstar list fyi.

[Angelust]

I'm on my way to painting all of the Space Hulk termies, and I really have no plan on including them in most of my gaming lists. They are quite boner-ific though.