chaplain belisarius Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Apart from the black skin and red eyes-are there any other quirks relating to the salamanders geneseed or is it pretty stable? thanks..:D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidus Veneris Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 The black skin and red eyes aren't a quirk of the geneseed, they are caused by the natural radiation of their homeworld Nocturne interacting with the geneseed. Any Salamander recruited from offworld and and for some reason hasnt spent a lot of time on nocturne would not have those traits. As for the remainder of the question I believe it's pretty stable but I am now curiois and will go a researchin'! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Oh yeah..thats what i shoulda said! (flippin retcons!!!) thanks mate..:D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 According to their Index Astartes article, their gene-seed at least appears sable and uncorrupted. However, it is speculated that their slightly slower reaction speed may be due to genetical issues. On the other hand it might just be the result ofr growing up on a high gravity world, or teh Salamanders general doctrine against hastiness and impetuosity. It is not sure if there have ever been any successors created with Salamander gene-seed, but some of those who are suspected to be Salamanders successors, due wo similar traits, have shown worrying forms of mutation, like the Black Dragons. So far that could not be traced back to a problem with the Salamanders gene-seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Cool..thanks for that mate! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hninja Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I thought that the Black Dragons were from the Cursed Founding and that the gene-seed problem is because it was messed with from the begining like all of the other cursed founding chapters. Not that the gene-seed was bad to begin with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 They are from the cursed founding, but the Salamanders Index Astartes explains that the questionable purity of the Black Dragons gene-seed has led to some Genetor-Biologis questioning their genetic source as well, though it is also said to be dismissed, even ridiculed, by the majority of Biologis, due to the Salamanders' long legacy and reputation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Could it be then that the Melanchrome reacts to different levels of radiation in Neophytes from different worlds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I don't claim to have read everything written about the Sallies but I don't recall it saying anywhere that their geneseed was flawed or unstable. I think their's is amongst the more stable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 That is what their Index Astartes is mainly saying. But it is being deliberately ambiguous, basically saying "there seem to be no flaws, but there might be, but there probably aren't". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 That is what their Index Astartes is mainly saying. But it is being deliberately ambiguous, basically saying "there seem to be no flaws, but there might be, but there probably aren't". Yeah, good old GW keeping it all shades of grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2497976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 The black skin and red eyes aren't a quirk of the geneseed, they are caused by the natural radiation of their homeworld Nocturne interacting with the geneseed. Any Salamander recruited from offworld and and for some reason hasnt spent a lot of time on nocturne would not have those traits. As for the remainder of the question I believe it's pretty stable but I am now curiois and will go a researchin'! Not to contradict you, but the quirks of the sallies arent due to the natural radiation of their home world, but a poor choice by GW in who to helm the Codex Space Marines. (another genius decision made by the un-named individual is the blood angels allying with necrons against nids...i wish i was joking) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2498142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hm, I don't really think the person that is tasked with writing a new Codex is also the one deciding how the models for that army will look. Writing background or rules and designing uniforms or heraldry are not exactly areas of expertise that are expected from a single person. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2498145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hm, I don't really think the person that is tasked with writing a new Codex is also the one deciding how the models for that army will look. Writing background or rules and designing uniforms or heraldry are not exactly areas of expertise that are expected from a single person. His name is on the cover, so he gets the blame. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2498146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 As a quick note, as far as I know, the Salamanders Chapter only recruits from the seven settlements of Nocturne, one for each company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2500216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 As a quick note, as far as I know, the Salamanders Chapter only recruits from the seven settlements of Nocturne, one for each company. From a logistical point of view any idea how big these settlements are? For some reason I don't imagine them to be hives but realistically no way could they be villages or towns because they couldn't supply enough suitable candidates for a company considering not all candidates survive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2500260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I guess poeple from Nocturne are really, really hard individuals and they provide a higher proportion of candidates than more populated worlds, but still the Salamanders have always been one of the smaller chapters, even since they were a Legion. Also, mind that each company recruits from only one of those settlements; sounds pretty unrealistic, isn´t it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2500974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbdevega Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I guess poeple from Nocturne are really, really hard individuals and they provide a higher proportion of candidates than more populated worlds, but still the Salamanders have always been one of the smaller chapters, even since they were a Legion. Also, mind that each company recruits from only one of those settlements; sounds pretty unrealistic, isn´t it? yes and no, Original fluff each company had a select settlement they recruited from. In more recent fluff it appears that all recruits go to 7th company then they can go anywhere after that. Also it should be noted in more recent fluff that not all of Nocturne's local population is black-skinned. It appears that only the surface dwellers have jet-black skin and the cave dwellers are rather albino but there skin turns black and eyes turn red soon after being brought to the surface. As for the gene-seed thing, they are 100% stable according to all facts. Unofficially there are questions of mutation and the slow-reflex's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209324-stability-of-salamanders-geneseed/#findComment-2508501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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