DC, their ornaments to no use?

[Judaz]

I'm gonna build my first DC soon and I have some problems with the DC box. They are to go to the worst places on the battlefield. They are there to die an honorable death. Why should they then wear their finest suit of armor? Those ornaments took them hundreds of hours to create and now they may all disappear in a big pit of gruesome death by demolisher cannon.

It feels more fluffy for me if they would give (not the DC themselves, but some sane chaplain) their fine, ornamental, suit of armor to a recruit who is to recieve his first power armor. The beautiful armor would then be on display among the living and the recruit would have an armor with some history and always wear a reminder of what being a Blood Angel is about, why we have to be so much better, so much more focused than the other chapters.

 

So, therefore I'm planning on using Dark Angels Veterans as my DC.

 

Chaplain Naberius: This marine, brother Haures, has succumbed to the curse that is the Black rage. Strip him of his armor. Strip him of his weapons. Give him in return a plain armor and a simple boltgun. Our fathers wrath shall strike down what ever he shall meet on the battlefield! Give him also a robe, so that he can hide the shame of not being in control of himself. Rise Death Company brother, rise as Death Company Haures. Thy name shall forever be remembered. By the blood of Sanguinius!

 

Now I just don't know how to paint them. Red armor, back robe, or black armor, red robe? Or something else?

Help me The Bolter and Chainsword, you're my only hope.

[IronKobra]

I seem to remember in the old codex variations the BA were ready to go to war, and upon the eve before battle chaplains would inspect and decide who is fit for duty or is to be enrolled in the DC. They used to just paint the warriors armour black over whatever wargear they had. Looking through the new codex, virtually every piece of artwork has extremely detailed and arty armour. Kind of like the BA's have unique armour for each individual with each BA having a fine aesthetic taste. that kind of explains to me why DC have ornate armour...The marine before DC did. I do see your point, but I don't think the BA would also just have kind of substitute armour for the DC. It's only fitting a marine face an honourable death in his own armour that has become a reflection of themselves over years of war.

[fivepointedstar]

black armor, black robe.. SITH style!!

 

I'm gonna build my first DC soon and I have some problems with the DC box. They are to go to the worst places on the battlefield. They are there to die an honorable death. Why should they then wear their finest suit of armor? Those ornaments took them hundreds of hours to create and now they may all disappear in a big pit of gruesome death by demolisher cannon.

It feels more fluffy for me if they would give (not the DC themselves, but some sane chaplain) their fine, ornamental, suit of armor to a recruit who is to recieve his first power armor. The beautiful armor would then be on display among the living and the recruit would have an armor with some history and always wear a reminder of what being a Blood Angel is about, why we have to be so much better, so much more focused than the other chapters.

 

So, therefore I'm planning on using Dark Angels Veterans as my DC.

 

Chaplain Naberius: This marine, brother Haures, has succumbed to the curse that is the Black rage. Strip him of his armor. Strip him of his weapons. Give him in return a plain armor and a simple boltgun. Our fathers wrath shall strike down what ever he shall meet on the battlefield! Give him also a robe, so that he can hide the shame of not being in control of himself. Rise Death Company brother, rise as Death Company Haures. Thy name shall forever be remembered. By the blood of Sanguinius!

 

Now I just don't know how to paint them. Red armor, back robe, or black armor, red robe? Or something else?

Help me The Bolter and Chainsword, you're my only hope.

you could just use any ccw squad then if your not using the extra bitz for DC. Use them on assualt squad, or elites then.

[JamesI]

If I was going for robed DC, I'd probably go black armor, red robe.

[Brother-Captain Devlonir]

As said above, many marines just have their current armor painted over and the BA are an aesthetic Chapter so the normal marines probably already have these armors.

 

Still.. there is also a slight change in how the DC is seen in this Codex vs older ones I remember. In older codeci, the DC were seen as crazed lunatics that were better off dead. In the current codex, the DC are seen as honored brothers who will be marched to honorable death on the battlefield instead of being cursed to insanity. The armor they wear will be painted black and covered in all kinds of marks of their accomplishments in life, Honour marks, scrolls describing their honorable mentions in previous battles.. and of course the famous red crosses.

 

For a Blood Angel, it is seen that the DC marines are going to their death and funeral. So they dress them up as one would their own brother when sending them to a burial. You would not bury your own brother in old rags you have lying around.. you would bury him in his finest suit and tie.

 

That is why the DC wear such ornate armor.. as this is what they wear as they charge honorably into death. It is the last honor of the chapter to their fallen brothers to dress them in the finest armor the chapter has to offer.

[Brother-Captain Devlonir]

Oh.. and if you want to go robed.. i'd go black armor and parchment robe :-)

 

And scribble small text all over the parchments, describe it such that the robe described the Fallen Angel's heroic deeds before his death.. his proof to the Emperor of a life of honorable servitude. Considering the long life of many BA's, many would need the robe to describe all their heroic deeds.

[Rybnick]

For my Angels I decided that ASM being rather "green" recruits still would have a minimal amount of flair to their armor (few seals, and bits), and from their they would progrress as they rose through the ranks. Tactical marines have have more bling than ASM but less than Dev's and so on. My DC having more than likely been around longer than most regular marines in the chapter will likely have more honors/awards whathaveyou so they have more ornamental armor, not to mention the bits that are surely added when they are inducted into the Death Company. As for the justifying the waste of this armor being blown to bits or being lost in battle, they could always scavenge the battlefield for reusable armor after the fight.

[fivepointedstar]

For a Blood Angel, it is seen that the DC marines are going to their death and funeral. So they dress them up as one would their own brother when sending them to a burial. You would not bury your own brother in old rags you have lying around.. you would bury him in his finest suit and tie.

 

That is why the DC wear such ornate armor.. as this is what they wear as they charge honorably into death. It is the last honor of the chapter to their fallen brothers to dress them in the finest armor the chapter has to offer.

very true they have bben in service for along time. and have plenty of honor to show off before death.

[Lord_Reven]

As has been said before, the DC marines used to just have their armout painted black.. i mean GOOD LUCK and HAVE FUN trying to get anyone from the Death Company out of there power armour. Marines that have fallen to the black rage see themselves as sanginius on the day he fought horus.. how do you think he would have reacted if some random marine came and tried to take his armour and weapons away? :)

[Korloth Darkwolf]

If you're going down the robed route, I'd personally do black armour, a very very dark gray robe with a red lining.

[Judaz]

I understand the whole "honour the about to be fallen warrior" and dress him up as good as possible, but I feel that it would honour a sane marine more to know that his armor were to be passed on to another Blood Angel who were to serve for the Emperor. To know that a part of him is still fighting the enemies of mankind.

 

Now, if the DC are choosen to be DC just before the battle starts, thats another story. I'm not an expert at BA fluff, so I'll just close my eyes and make my own up when I'm faced with a problem :)

 

How do the BA handle the surviving DC after a battle? Lemartes in half-sane atleast, but his brethren not so very much. In my mind the DC are kept sedated when they are not fighting, just like Lemartes. If they wipe out all enemies, how could they die a honorable death? Hmm...yep, they are sedated and thats another reason to give 'em another set of armor. An armor with a remote button to sedate them :P I didn't say my mind was a very smart and logical mind...

 

But I'm falling too far from Blood Angels to actually play Blood Angels 4th company as I planned on doing. I have no blue librarians, just a guy with blue shoulders and a silver helmet (and is carrying a chapter relic, a spear), my DC aren't ornate, all my Sanguinary priests have lightning claws. And I tend to have a lot more Dreadnoughts than the normal BA. (Doing the DC just to be able to field some more Dreads :blink: )Maybe it's time to found my own chapter?

 

 

Back to painting my DC. Black armor seems to be the way to go. (gonna make 'em really worn and patched up) Red or black/grey robes then. The red lining sounds nice. Think I'll try black armor, black/grey robes with some red lining.

 

Thanks for the answers!

[Lord_Reven]

Well, in the current edition of the rules it says that surviving DC guys are hunted down by Astorath.. cuz it gets to a point where the DC marines loose their minds and will attack anything, friend or foe. Used to be that they were locked up in some tower on Baal or something like that. Prehaps some1 who still has the old codex can tell you.

[Leonaides]

Or they were chained down and asked to speak about what they saw, if they fell while unable to die in battle (ie: in transit to a warzone or something). Named the Lestrallio Proceedure after teh Chaplain who devised it and who provided the longest transcript after he fell himself. Got right up to the part where he (thinking himself Sang) charged Horus...

[Morticon]

Check owlandmoonguy's blog for robed DC ! He makes it win!

[WarpWalker]

Fight Club-

His name is robert paulson...

 

Some of the armor the DC die in I'm sure make it's way back to the chapter. I always thought it would be cool (and timely) to etch really small

names into armor pieces. Telling of those honored brothers who wore that piece.

[Judaz]

Took me a while to find the DC pics on OMG's blog. But damn! Red robes does look nice, thats they way I was picturing my DC. Too bad I don't have half of his painting skills.

And I'm also thinking it might be easier to paint red robes. I have a lot of colours to work with and it's easier to mix red than to get a nice dark grey.

Thanks Morticon. And thanks OMG! :)

 

After seeing those pics I guess I'll try red robes and black armor. Magnetized backpacks to be able to field some really expensive jump packin' DC if I sudddenly have 150 points to spend on something totally awesome!

 

Maybe I'll upload pics of them in 6 months or something like that, if they are ready by then. I'm a really fast painter. I use to describe myself as a talentless perfectionist.

[Brother Kovash]

Red robes and black armor sounds like an awesome combination.

 

And like Lord_Reven said, I'm not sure you could get someone who thinks he is Sanguinius to take off his armor before battle. You're better off just letting him take it with him.

[BrotherMoses]

I don't think the chaplains would deprive a marine of his lifelong armour and weapons, even-no especially- in the moment of his death. Remember that the power armour given to a marine upon completion of his scout training is a great and lifelong gift. There is much pride and dignity in the weapons trusted to him.

 

And do not speak of shame and our Lost brothers. Their time has come and they seek honourable death in combat before madness and damnation can overtake them. Their courage is bottomless, our pride endless, and their legacy eternal.

 

Thought for the Day: Anyone that died in His service never did so in vain.

[Judaz]

First a librarian somehow knocks him cold with some psychic power and then they inject him with some strong sedative so that they can remove his armor and don the new armor.

 

I don't know. How do you even get a bunch of DC into a landraider? Or stop 'em from killing each other? It says in the codex that they don't even recognize their friends. Whats stopping them from going berzerk right there and then? I wouldn't wanna be on DC detail. Imagine reading next weeks schedule:

 

Year 992.M41.Week 32

Squad Leistate

Monday: Attack on hive world 718. Expect tyranid presence.

Tuesday: Attack on hive world 718. Expect some more tyranid presence.

Wednesday: Restraining DC. Expect heavy resistance.

Thursday: Rest.

Friday: Mopping up on hive world 718. Expect moderate tyranid presence. Keep an eye open for Alpha Legion.

Saturday: Dinner with Chief Librarian Mephiston. Expect moderate fun.

Sunday: Attack on hive world 719. Expect tyranid presence.

[Judaz]

I know the honour involved in a marines power armor, thats why, in my eyes, the armor deserves to be given away to someone who can use it better. It's more honourable to give something you love away, than to selfishly keep it when you know it easily could be destroyed. I just think I view the honour part a bit differently from you guys.

 

And I didn't say that it was dishonourable to die for the Emperor as a DC. But for a chapter that has to have full control over their rage all the time it must be seen as shameful to fall to the Black rage. Shameful for the individual (if he still has some sense left) but the brothers around him don't view it as a shame.

 

Our pride isn't endless I hope, thats what drove Horus to kill our father. We know we have a flaw, we're working against it every day. But to fall is still failure.

[Korloth Darkwolf]

I did a really short and sweet red robe on my DA JP chaplain:

Mechrite Red basecoat

Liche Purple in the creases

Baal Red wash

Blood Red 1st highlight

Baal Red wash

Fiery Orange 2nd highlight

Baal Red wash

There's a few more pics in my album of the black armour and robe combination

[BrotherMoses]

Armour can be recovered after a battle, but model wise I know what you mean. I'm actually going to be using the old death company models in my death company. I am a little dicey about giving them super awesome weapons, but I think that Thunder Hammer will look pretty sweet on them and keep them from getting bogged down.

 

From a perspective I understand what you're saying about not wanting to lose power armour. It just doesn't hold up from a more personal viewpoint in-universe. Tycho died in his armour at Tempestora.

[Brother-Captain Lucius]

Judaz thats getting sigged!

[Judaz]

Those robes look awesome Korloth! Thanks for the tip, gonna try it your way. The red on my armor is very red (using the old ruby red colour), so to use mechrite red on the robes will be perfekt.

[Lord_Reven]

First a librarian somehow knocks him cold with some psychic power and then they inject him with some strong sedative so that they can remove his armor and don the new armor.

 

I don't know. How do you even get a bunch of DC into a landraider? Or stop 'em from killing each other? It says in the codex that they don't even recognize their friends. Whats stopping them from going berzerk right there and then? I wouldn't wanna be on DC detail. Imagine reading next weeks schedule:

 

Before dey be loosin deir minds dey be tinkin dey be Sanginius mon, and ma mojo be sayin dat da great angel dident attack em other dudes dressed up in red mon.

 

Used to be that the chaplains could, not so much control them, but direct the DC towards the enemy.

Immagane it as role-playing. The DC marine plays sanginius, and the chaplain plays some dude who fought at the siege of terra.

DC marine: HORUS!!!!11oneone11!! D:<

Chappy: Sir! Enemy spotted (points somewhere) that way!

DC marine: RAWR! I will tear the traitors appart!

Chappy: Here, enter this landr- er, thunderhawk sir, and we will charge in the name of the EMPRAH!

 

Or something like that. Also, usually they only turn into the DC on the eve of battle, so having a librarian doing some magic mumbo jumbo and knocking out 3-30 marines, and then having to change all their armour right before the battle starts seems a little impractical, woulden' t you agree?