And They Shall Know No Fear

[Stormbrow II]

A strange question came up last night during a game.

 

Pedro and some Termies were shot at and they fled. A Dread attempted to assault the unit.

 

Now, do Marines get the benefit of ATSKNF when they're assaulted while falling back or do they have to roll a Leadership test as normal?

 

I can't quite remember the reasoning but Pedro & Co had to test and failed again getting destroyed. Apparently it doesn't apply to squads assaulted while falling back but it does in all other circumstances (unless there are enemies within 6"). Strange.

 

Anyone got any explanations either way? Cheers.

[muadib02]

There is nothing in the rule book which would take away the idea that they are just destroyed.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

A strange question came up last night during a game.

Pedro and some Termies were shot at and they fled. A Dread attempted to assault the unit.

Now, do Marines get the benefit of ATSKNF when they're assaulted while falling back or do they have to roll a Leadership test as normal?

 

I can't quite remember the reasoning but Pedro & Co had to test and failed again getting destroyed. Apparently it doesn't apply to squads assaulted while falling back but it does in all other circumstances (unless there are enemies within 6"). Strange.

 

Anyone got any explanations either way? Cheers.

 

ATSKNF works when:

the enemy is within 6"

allows the regrouped unit to count as not moving and allows them to move 6" after regrouping 3"

allows them to fight as normally when caught in a sweeping advance

 

The unit was not caught by a sweeping advance.

They don't fight as normally [as per ATSKNF] because of this.

They take a Ld test to REGROUP as per normal.

 

BBB pg 46

if the test is successful, the unit regroups [without moving] and the assault continues as normal.

if the test is failed the falling back unit is destroyed and the assaulting unit must continue its assault move as if the falling back unit was never there.

 

Apparently it doesn't apply to squads assaulted while falling back but it does in all other circumstances (unless there are enemies within 6"). Strange.

 

Apparently ATSKNF does not apply? That is right ~ it does not apply.

Marines can be shepherded from the TT by keeping something within 6" of them.

 

.... but true :)

[wolvesoffenris]

BRB page 46

If an enemy unit declares an assault against a unit that is falling back and is found to be in range, the falling back unit must immediately test to regroup.

 

ATSKNF page 24 of Codex Space Wolves (but the rule is the same for all marines)

Space Marines automatically pass tests to regroup

 

Therefore, they would not have been destroyed. They should have auto rallied and fought in the combat as normal.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

BRB page 46

If an enemy unit declares an assault against a unit that is falling back and is found to be in range, the falling back unit must immediately test to regroup.

 

ATSKNF page 24 of Codex Space Wolves (but the rule is the same for all marines)

Space Marines automatically pass tests to regroup

 

Therefore, they would not have been destroyed. They should have auto rallied and fought in the combat as normal.

 

Oh! :huh:

Good one! :)

 

You are right, they do auto-pass regroup tests.

 

Thanks wolvesoffenris :D

[Vlk]

But... could they regroup (even with ATSKNF) if there was a hostile squad inside the 6-inch range?

[Grey Mage]

But... could they regroup (even with ATSKNF) if there was a hostile squad inside the 6-inch range?

No, because BRB pg. 46 paragraph 4 states you make a regroup test when assaulted while falling back.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

But... could they regroup (even with ATSKNF) if there was a hostile squad inside the 6-inch range?

No, because BRB pg. 46 paragraph 4 states you make a regroup test when assaulted while falling back.

 

Even ATSKNF cannot regroup when baddies are within 6"

 

BUT when assaulted, you are allowed to take the regroup test even though they would be within 6", even without ATSKNF.

ATSKNF means you autoRegroup

 

I think this is what Grey Mage is saying ~ but I got confused when he wrote No. Sometimes I get muddled by what others write :P ;)

[Grey Mage]

But... could they regroup (even with ATSKNF) if there was a hostile squad inside the 6-inch range?

No, because BRB pg. 46 paragraph 4 states you make a regroup test when assaulted while falling back.

 

Even ATSKNF cannot regroup when baddies are within 6"

 

BUT when assaulted, you are allowed to take the regroup test even though they would be within 6", even without ATSKNF.

ATSKNF means you autoRegroup

 

I think this is what Grey Mage is saying ~ but I got confused when he wrote No. Sometimes I get muddled by what others write :P ;)

No... as in yes :P. Sorry, I read his statement as saying the enemies within 6" prevented you.

 

It is as you clarified my friend.

[Xeenos]

lol.. so basicly if your marines break moral someone can follow them all the way off the table, but if their assaulted they will rally and fight! Sounds so funny.. more like a rule someone didnt think of when writing 5th or something.

[Grey Mage]

Well you can continue to fire as you leave.... wich is a deterrent for most armies.