Pre-Heresy Night Lords

[Kassill]

OK, so with the upcoming kits from FW I decided I eventually want to begin work on a Pre-Heresy Night Lords Army. Now, my questions are...

 

Up to what Mk of Armor would they have?

 

This picture shows a NL in Mk 6 armor, but would they have had Mk 6?

 

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Kassill1/NightLordPreHer.jpg

 

 

Also, would they have a preferred Mk of armor, i.e. they preferred Mk4 for some reason or whatever.

 

And finally, would it be reasonable to use the C:BA for their rules, or should I stick with C:SM?

 

 

Thanks guys!

[esinhorn]

I would think the Majority were either Mk4 or being the newest Legion Mk5

Mk6 would only be near Terra until after the Siege and only White Scars,Blood Angels,and Imperial Fiest would have them.

[Kassill]

I would think the Majority were either Mk4 or being the newest Legion Mk5

Mk6 would only be near Terra until after the Siege and only White Scars,Blood Angels,and Imperial Fiest would have them.

 

 

Cool. I will probably end up doing mostly Mk4 as I dont care too much for Mk5. Shame no Mk6 cause that picture was wanna the reasons I really wanted to do it. Oh well. :D

[Loken86]

well im using the normal codex for my night lordsand that works for me but ive use the BA codex and it works great if you want an assault theme(which is the best option imo).

 

So go for it

[isilvra]

I’d actually think they would be equipped with mk3 mostly since they went on the run before then end of the great crusade when mk4 was being issued. They may have a few newer suites but the majority would be the older mks. After they returned to attack Horus with the other 6 legions they may have been issued better equipment though.

[Hyaenidae]

Quick note....the Night Lords WERE pretty far away from Terra, and re-supplies from Mars (both during Imperial and Horusian control of the Red Planet), but some supplies would filter down once in a blue moon. I believe Mk. 6 would be ok, but very, very rare. Restrict it to your command group or greatest champions, this would allow you to use em, and would make sense as your greatest warriors would be allowed the pick of the litter in terms of more advanced tech, as Mk. 6 was darn close to being the pinnacle of high tech armour back then. Avoid Mk. 7 altogether, as this Mark of armour was just begining to be processed on Mars at the time of the heresy, and the Night Lords would have had no chance to recieve these yet. Also, only use 'Cataphracctii' Mark of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and leave them ultra rare as well, maybe no more than a Claw of 5 in your entire company, to coincide with the difficulty of maintaining and repairing these already-rare suits.

[Kassill]

Quick note....the Night Lords WERE pretty far away from Terra, and re-supplies from Mars (both during Imperial and Horusian control of the Red Planet), but some supplies would filter down once in a blue moon. I believe Mk. 6 would be ok, but very, very rare. Restrict it to your command group or greatest champions, this would allow you to use em, and would make sense as your greatest warriors would be allowed the pick of the litter in terms of more advanced tech, as Mk. 6 was darn close to being the pinnacle of high tech armour back then. Avoid Mk. 7 altogether, as this Mark of armour was just begining to be processed on Mars at the time of the heresy, and the Night Lords would have had no chance to recieve these yet. Also, only use 'Cataphracctii' Mark of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and leave them ultra rare as well, maybe no more than a Claw of 5 in your entire company, to coincide with the difficulty of maintaining and repairing these already-rare suits.

 

 

 

Thanks. I dont know anything about the TDA sets, so will have to research that.

[Hyaenidae]

Unfortunately, the older Term armour hasn't been made as a set yet (C'mon, forgeworld, stop holding back!). You'd probably have to make the distinctive shoulder and gorget armour yourself. I use plasicard and a little green stuff for mine, and it works pretty darn well. There's lots of tutorials and template cut outs around, just peek around the net, and you'll find one that works for you.

[Rain]

I’d actually think they would be equipped with mk3 mostly since they went on the run before then end of the great crusade when mk4 was being issued. They may have a few newer suites but the majority would be the older mks. After they returned to attack Horus with the other 6 legions they may have been issued better equipment though.

 

Quite the opposite, they would probably have very little Mk3. Mk3 was never a mainstay armor type, it was just a modification of Mk2 for boarding actions, sieges, and other battles in which a lot of fire will be coming from only one direction so really heavy frontal plates make sense. This is why it was used extensively by Iron Warriors, Death Guard and in a lesser degree Imperial Fists. Night Lords on the other hand would probably favor mobility so Mk2 for and older PH army and Mk4 for a "just before" or Heresy era army would probably be best.

[Kizzdougs]

Leading up to the heresy, Horus was careful with the supplies coming from Mars. He made sure the Legions that supported him were given all the newest Mk. of armour and weapons, while the legions loyal to Terra were under supplied.

He used his power as warmaster to direct the flow of supplies.

 

However because the NL had already broken away from Terra, after Curze and Dorn's Clash, perhaps they wouldn't have had access to the new supplies <_<

[esinhorn]

Quick note....the Night Lords WERE pretty far away from Terra, and re-supplies from Mars (both during Imperial and Horusian control of the Red Planet), but some supplies would filter down once in a blue moon. I believe Mk. 6 would be ok, but very, very rare. Restrict it to your command group or greatest champions, this would allow you to use em, and would make sense as your greatest warriors would be allowed the pick of the litter in terms of more advanced tech, as Mk. 6 was darn close to being the pinnacle of high tech armour back then. Avoid Mk. 7 altogether, as this Mark of armour was just begining to be processed on Mars at the time of the heresy, and the Night Lords would have had no chance to recieve these yet. Also, only use 'Cataphracctii' Mark of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and leave them ultra rare as well, maybe no more than a Claw of 5 in your entire company, to coincide with the difficulty of maintaining and repairing these already-rare suits.

 

What he said,It would make sence they could get a little bit of mk6 that way you can have a few of the beakies which do look cool as hell with the skull paintjob

[AekoldHelbrass]

It depends. Current history of MK armours and all that HH timeline and supplies stuff is very very old, about 15-20 years. As I understand it was just a fan section for the rules, while in our days, when Black Library is publishing "true story" of Horus Heresy, we can get a way more details, when authors are gathering to think about it and to document it, we can even expect the updated fluff for all this in next codexes or fluff sections of gaming books.

 

Some facts that we khow:

1) MK5 was made mostly by loyalists on Terra when Mars fell. It was made because MK4 was not enough for everybody and there was not much of spare parts to fix broken suits. So they used everything they could to make MK5.

2) We know that Horus ordered to supply his legions first. Also from "Horus Rising" we know that MK3 was already older (Blood Angels had them) and Emperor's Children had MK4. It's not stated openly, but Sons of Horus had other MK, it can be 2 or 4 and I guess that Warmaster was inspiring enough to have MK4 for all his legion.

3) Dark Mechanicus got facilities to produce MK4 when Mars fell.

 

Gathering all this together we can see some points:

1) MK5 should not be used in Chaos Legions, only as salvaged from fallen enemies.

2) Most of Chaos Legions are free to choose between MK2-3-4, because some of them were present near Mars themselves, other's could get them by Horus' will.

3) MK4 is very rare in loyal chapters, only those few Fists got from Mars before it fell. So basically only heirs of Fists, Blood Angels and White Scars are able to use few of those suits.

4) For now we have no exact information about when MK6 was developed - on Mars during the Horus Heresy and Chaos Legions can use it or after Horus Heresy and should be rarely used by Chaos Legions. Hope next few Horus Heresy books will mention it.

 

It's a way harder to say something about Terminator Armour suits. "Caban project" states that Warmaster's suite was already made on Mars, and FFG Horus Heresy pictures Horus in strange (but yet inspiring) suite, something between those retro termies and current Terminators.

[Vodunius]

Some facts that we khow:

1) MK5 was made mostly by loyalists on Terra when Mars fell. It was made because MK4 was not enough for everybody and there was not much of spare parts to fix broken suits. So they used everything they could to make MK5.

 

Gathering all this together we can see some points:

1) MK5 should not be used in Chaos Legions, only as salvaged from fallen enemies.

 

According to WD129 (the *cough* definitive armour fluff) Mk5 was rushed into production on Mars at the outbreak of the Heresy with vast quantities being delivered to chapters including those that subsequently defected to Horus. Even under then fluff there was only two waves of defections, those prior to Isstvan III and those that turned at Isstvan V, so any chapter/legion that participated in the Isstvan V landings can have it - and according to some versions of the fluff (Iron Warriors IA, Horus Heresy artbooks, Space Marine 1st edition) that includes the Night Lords.

 

According to same article MkVI was rushed into production on Mars (with the traitors subsequently capturing the production facilities and producing their own) whilst MkVII was rushed into production on Luna after Mars fell.

[Doghouse]

Your best bet is either Mk II or Mk IV for pre-heresy.

 

The artwork seen above is extremely late heresy era as Mk VI didn't come into production till the latter stages of the invasion of the Sol system.

 

Captain Shang was noted as wearing a winged helmet with a death mask of an alien skull with a tusked lower jaw so I'd go with lots of skulls and stuff. Either the Mk II or IV would be great for the skull terror markings seen above as well.

 

Trick is working out what their squad markings would be.

[Kassill]

Thanks all. Very very helpfull. I will probably be sticking with Mk4 then. That is one of my favourite Mk's, so that will work for me. B)

 

@Doghouse: Thanks man. Really like your work on the NL's. Very cool stuff. ;)

[LordSion]

which one was captain shang?

[Kassill]

Thanks again all! I actually think I am going to skip the Night Lords for now, and do another Pre-Heresy favourite of mine, the mighty Death Guard! Yes, the Death Guard shall be what I do. Reasoning is....

 

Space Wolves (current army)-SW Codex

Death Guard-C:SM

Angels Sanguine-C:BA

 

I figured I dint want two armies (at the moment, hehe) using the same codex. This also gave me a chance to give C:SM another shot. I never really liked, and still dont. But, I wont be playing to win (as much) with C:SM. It will be a more laid back playing. Actually, come to think of it, it will be alot like my SW's. Troop, troops, troops, Heavy Weapons, Heavy Weapons...etc.

 

Again thanks all. And Night Lords, I will get back to you eventually :)

[Hyaenidae]

Traitor.

 

 

 

Just kidding, good luck with your build.

[Marshal Traben]

which one was captain shang?

He's Konrad Curze's equerry.