[AH] the deathwatch

[shan vener]

hey guys. I kinda like writing 40k short stories for fun and friends to read. and for my next i'm thinkin deathwatch and i need some questions answered.

 

1: are there grey knights in the deathwatch

2:who leads a deathwatch killteams, i've heard captains but that doesn't sound right

3:are there deathwatch assault squads, (the jump pack kind)

 

thanks in advance guys, and more questions may come.

[ghosty]

hey guys. I kinda like writing 40k short stories for fun and friends to read. and for my next i'm thinkin deathwatch and i need some questions answered.

 

1: are there grey knights in the deathwatch

2:who leads a deathwatch killteams, i've heard captains but that doesn't sound right

3:are there deathwatch assault squads, (the jump pack kind)

 

thanks in advance guys, and more questions may come.

1: No, the Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus, wholly dedicated to fighting the daemonic.

 

2: The Deathwatch kill-teams are led by a number of people, from Captains, Librarians and Ordo Xenos Inquisitors.

 

3: I don't see why not, they use whatever tools are necessary to fight the Xeno with.

[shan vener]

thanks man, but i've just thought up more

 

4: what chapters are common in the deathwatch

5: what chapters are a rare sight in the deathwatch

6:would deathwatch assault marines have the best weapons (IE power weapons) or chainswords

7: how long might a marine serve with the deathwatch

 

but the story's main plot/story line is basically to follow a deathwatch assault killteam through their time in the squad, the story may take place over decades. but i think the squad will be led by a chaplain if that fits with the fluff.

[Bigger-than-Jesus]

thanks man, but i've just thought up more

 

4: what chapters are common in the deathwatch

5: what chapters are a rare sight in the deathwatch

6:would deathwatch assault marines have the best weapons (IE power weapons) or chainswords

7: how long might a marine serve with the deathwatch

 

but the story's main plot/story line is basically to follow a deathwatch assault killteam through their time in the squad, the story may take place over decades. but i think the squad will be led by a chaplain if that fits with the fluff.

4&5-Who knows? I doubt any loyalist chapter HASN'T got members in the deathwatch. The first and second foundings might have slightly more members per chapter though.

 

6-They'd probably use the weapons they did with their own chapters rather than be assigned any by the deathwatch

 

7-According the the Dark Heresy sourcebook 'Purge the unclean', the standard service is a decade, however in the case of particularly skilled marines this can be extended indefinitely.

 

[EDIT] I'd wait till the Deathwatch RPG gets released in about a month's time. That's bound to tell you everything you want to know and then some.

[Chengar Qordath]

4: what chapters are common in the deathwatch

5: what chapters are a rare sight in the deathwatch

4&5-Who knows? I doubt any loyalist chapter HASN'T got members in the deathwatch. The first and second foundings might have slightly more members per chapter though.

It is particularly interesting to note that even chapters who are very codex-divergent and don't get along too well with the Inquisition in general, like the Space Wolves, still send Marines to serve in the Deathwatch. Even the Exorcists, who are essentially an Ordo Malleus pet project/unofficial Chamber Militant, send Marines to serve in the Deathwatch.

[Justicar Valius]

Deathwatch lexicanum page

 

That should answer a lot of these questions.

 

Also note that the Ultramarines and Crimson Fists (I think, can't remember where I heard this) contribute regularly to the Deathwatch as they have specialities fighiting xenos (tyranids and Orks resoectively).

[RexTalon]

I think it's worth saying that all of this will likely change. The GK and SoB were a very small part in the past, just as the Deathwatch are now and now people field them as an entire army. I could certainly foresee a time when GW releases an entire list and new models just to make a buck. [/disenchanted]

[Brother Nathan]

should be noted that ba do send marines to deathwatch but very few at a time, apparently only 1 max per squad and that they are the best and overly well trained to withhold the flaw from the inquisitors, but are therefore highly regarded by the inquisition. i cant really see the ba succesors being uch different, nor other chapters with bad flaws, they wont send a marine with a tail or a tenticle as that would be tantamount to suicide. also do researc into the specific chapters before you do any fluff writing as for instance certain ba succesors never remove their helms, others have apparently broke off from the imperium, they could be nearly wiped out, on a to the death crusade etc. you dont want to write specific fluff then discover that it cant work.

[Valtonis]

7-According the the Dark Heresy sourcebook 'Purge the unclean', the standard service is a decade, however in the case of particularly skilled marines this can be extended indefinitely.

 

[EDIT] I'd wait till the Deathwatch RPG gets released in about a month's time. That's bound to tell you everything you want to know and then some.

 

there are also marines that are permanently attached to the DeathWatch.

and once you have been a member of the DeathWatch you are actually always a member.

they can call up up any time they want

 

the RPG sourcebook would probably be the best source for anything connected to the DeathWatch so you might as well hold off until it is released

[RexTalon]

and once you have been a member of the DeathWatch you are actually always a member.

they can call up up any time they want

Which is why they get to wear the shoulder pad when they get "home" from TDY. :)

[Valtonis]

some of them also never change the color of their armor from black to their chapter colors after they finish their tour

[shan vener]

allright guys here's my character sheet (1st draft)

 

Chaplain Amnito Kardos (flesh tearers) (permanently attached)

Matteo Petros (crimson fists) (headstrong?)

Adeon Valdictus (black templars) (a little bit over zealous ((even for the BT))

Marius Xynx (blood angels) (somewhat comical, best fighter)

Draco Lithonius (salamanders) (may carry a heavy flamer LotD style)

Octavian Paidar (ultramarines) (second in command, very by the book)

Vladimir Raziel (dark angels) (need help here)

Arca Khiron (excorcists) (very cold, keeps to himself)

 

any comments about the names/personalities are welcome

 

PS 8: how do marines of the deathwatch refer to each other.

[Whitefireinferno]

... I disagree on 2 points I highly doubt We Flesh Tearers would become permanently attached to the DeathWatch and HA the FT would be the best fighter of the bunch. Oh and the whole Jumppack thing is not likely to happen since the DW are ment to opperate like spec ops eg not be seen or heard big loud jumppacks are not that stealthy.

[Chengar Qordath]

... I disagree on 2 points I highly doubt We Flesh Tearers would become permanently attached to the DeathWatch and HA the FT would be the best fighter of the bunch. Oh and the whole Jumppack thing is not likely to happen since the DW are ment to opperate like spec ops eg not be seen or heard big loud jumppacks are not that stealthy.

I have to agree that any Blood Angel or successor being permanently attached to the Deathwatch is iffy given the risk of succumbing to the Black Rage and the problems caused by the Red Thirst. That is especially so with the Flesh Tearers, whose habit of going so crazy during battle that they start attacking their own allies would be a big problem. I imagine that Blood Angels and successors are very careful about only sending Marines to the Deathwatch for fairly short terms, and probably only send Marines that that don't show any signs of their geneseed flaws (similar to Space Wolves not sending any Wulfen). The last thing the Flesh Tearers need when they're already under Inquisitorial investigation is to have a Marine in the Deathwatch go nuts and try to kill his battle brothers.

[shan vener]

okay heres an update for the squad

 

Chaplain Amnito Kardos (death spectres) (permanently attached)

Matteo Petros (crimson fists) (headstrong?)

Adeon Valdictus (black templars) (a little bit over zealous ((even for the BT))

Marius Xynx (blood angels) (somewhat comical, best fighter)

Draco Lithonius (salamanders) (may carry a heavy flamer LotD style)

Octavian Paidar (ultramarines) (second in command, very by the book)

Vladimir Raziel (dark angels) (apothecary)

Arca Khiron (excorcists) (very cold, keeps to himself)

 

how about now, guys?

[shan vener]

okay guys, got a few more questions

 

9: do kill teams have a CO (commanding officer) excluding their squad leader

10: my idea for an intro is that chaplain kardos was being led into a room where his new squad awaits, is this acceptable

 

i know i have another but i can't remember it right now (crap)

[Gentlemanloser]

Use an Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos as the other commanding Officer. :)

[Eddie Orlock]

1: are there grey knights in the deathwatch

You know, ever since I read this question I've been so sorely tempted to model up a Grey Knight Death Watch Member. The Grey Knights are a chapter, if only in a very nominal sense. The Death Watch recruit from nearly all loyal chapters. The possibility follows.

 

Dude would be like the ultimate warrior against warp based Xeno like enslavers. Nemisis Force Greatsword and Stormbolter with special issue ammo could be good times. [sings]... He's got the best of both worlds ... [/sings] :lol:

[shan vener]

allright guys does anyone else have any other problems. like the heavy flamer, the personalities, or the chapters. anything not brought up i'll just take as being good enough.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

okay heres an update for the squad

 

Chaplain Amnito Kardos (death spectres) (permanently attached)

Matteo Petros (crimson fists) (headstrong?)

Adeon Valdictus (black templars) (a little bit over zealous ((even for the BT))

Marius Xynx (blood angels) (somewhat comical, best fighter)

Draco Lithonius (salamanders) (may carry a heavy flamer LotD style)

Octavian Paidar (ultramarines) (second in command, very by the book)

Vladimir Raziel (dark angels) (apothecary)

Arca Khiron (excorcists) (very cold, keeps to himself)

 

how about now, guys?

 

I would say that I have only ever read of a Captain or Librarian commanding a Kill-Team, never a Chaplain; remember the primary duty of a Chaplain is not to lead.

 

Also, I would go against the inclusion of an Exorcist; one short story included such, so I don't think it is common.

 

I don't think you can get a comical Astartes, either.

 

Finally, there would be no Grey Knights in the Watch; the GK are a Chapter, but not in the typical sense - think about how selective they are and the lengths they go to to remain pure and to protect the Imperium. If it required the abilites of the Grey Knights, then send the Grey Knights.

[shan vener]

Captain Amnito Kardos (death spectres) (permanently attached)

Matteo Petros (crimson fists) (headstrong?)

Adeon Valdictus (black templars) (a little bit over zealous ((even for the BT))

Marius Xynx (blood angels) (rival of Arca Khiron)

Draco Lithonius (salamanders) (may carry a heavy flamer LotD style)

Octavian Paidar (ultramarines) (second in command, very by the book)

Vladimir Raziel (dark angels) (apothecary)

Arca Khiron (flesh tearers) (rival of Marius Xynx)

 

are there any other problems here guys, please tell me if so.

 

and can someone please answer these questions

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#8

[Eddie Orlock]

I don't think you can get a comical Astartes, either.

 

Finally, there would be no Grey Knights in the Watch; the GK are a Chapter, but not in the typical sense - think about how selective they are and the lengths they go to to remain pure and to protect the Imperium. If it required the abilities of the Grey Knights, then send the Grey Knights.

Not all Marines are dour all the time. I could see a little levity and general good spirits, but I suspect most of us wouldn't really get the humour. Definitely a sense of esprit de corp anyway. The 'comical' one would be the guy who gets to drop most of the laconic one liners.

 

I would think that given the distributed nature of both organisations, it would not be impossible for a Knight on extended duty in concert with Deathwatch forces to become an honourary member. Maybe a fighter who can chill out and take it slow before rockin' out in combat would be too much awesome for the forty first millennium to handle.

[Valtonis]

No, a Grey Knight would never be a part of the Death Watch.

the DeathWatch is set up to deal with Xenos not warp spawn although they might encounter those in a mission.

 

the Grey Knights are Chamber Miltant of the Ordo Malleus, given the political in-fighting among the Inquisition, the Malleus wouldn't loan out of their prize asset to do something that he wasn't meant to do (kill Xenos, he can but that is not his job).

it would also mean a member of Ordo Malleus being subservient to the Ordo Xenos, which to them might mean Xenos being superior to Malleus

and Ordo Xenos would not ask for a Grey Knight as they might leak info through the Grey Knight back to the Ordo Malleus, who might and can then use the info against members of Ordo Xenos.

 

too much politics involved so not gonna happen

[DarKHaZZ13]

I have a harder question to answer

about the deathwatch.

 

Librarians.

All death watch a painted black

they all have silver left arms

they all have their chapte rlivery on their right shoulder pad

 

What part is left to paint blue? Something to do with the council of Nikea...I think...but librarians, fluff wise, should have blue on them.

but where? :) lol

[Eddie Orlock]

What part is left to paint blue? Something to do with the council of Nikea...I think...but librarians, fluff wise, should have blue on them.

but where? :rolleyes: lol

The blue is a layer of paint under the black, for power armour is never stripped, lest the unguents offend its machine spirits. In this way we satisfy both the requirement to have blue pigment and the Deathwatch's desire to be the men in black.

 

The ordos aren't such clearly defined monolithic agencies. It's possible for an Inquisitor to be a member of both. I might dare say that suggesting that the Deathwatch could not recruit from the Knights implies that they're subservient, and gosh, that wouldn't do either. An honourary induction would be a bit like an honourary degree. Almost a 'Thanks for you help with the enslavers, we shall now call you 'Brother', Brother-Brother Paulius of the Grey Knights'. Brother-Brother would be a bit like someone with multiple doctorates getting styles Doctor Doctor ... It happens in some formal settings. Hopefully Paulius would have the sense to accept his honours rather than start a feud.

 

There are things out there in the black that blur the line between Vile Xeno and Unholy Warp-Spawn. Killing those things is Squad Paulius' opus vive.