Excommunicate Traitoris?

[Aramis_the_Red]

Okay, would a chapter(specifically a BA successor chapter) be declared traitors if they refused to handover a MAJOR technological discovery to the Adeptus Mechanicus? The technological discovery being a massive ancient colonization vessel that is bigger than most spacehulks and has the ability to terraform planets and moons.(think the 40k equivalent of Centerpoint Station from the Star Wars novels). The station is man made, but harkens back to before the dark age of tech.

 

That alone being a fairly grave issue, the chapter is also three times the size of a codex chapter, having been formed from the remains of 3 separate chapters and then recruiting aggressively back to 3,000 marines.

[Morticon]

Tough to say.

Imagine Lucius pattern engines on every marine vehicle in the universe. Thats pretty frickin epically huge there- and the BA havent been thrown out.

 

This however may tip the scales because of previous infractions.

[Aramis_the_Red]

That's what I figured. I want the chapter to be on the verge of being declared traitors, but not because of Chaos worship. I want these guys to be real good guys that are close to being forced to fight against the very world they're trying to make a truly better place. I just want it to make sense.

 

BTW, I'm currently writing up an IA for these boys. I call them the Praetors of Helios.

[Grey Mage]

Having been formed from 3 separate chapters isnt really something that happens- a chapter is either dissolved or sent on a crusade of their final days... or allowed to rebuild normally if they can.

 

Instead of saying that, or the 3k members, Id just have them be at around 1400 troops- and supporting them with the help of this advanced vessel, with its powerful production facilities and fabrication technologies. Indeed, they dont know all of what its capable of.... though their techmarines have divined much, and ordo malleus inquisitors have inspected it several times for purity.

 

Like the BAs version of a crusader chapter.

[Leonaides]

If they're truely trying to make the universe a better place, then why are they such persistent rule-breakers? Why wouldnt they hand over an artefact that they wont know how to use, to people who might be able to work out how it works and then make more?

[Valtonis]

it depends.

the Soul Drinkers were declared excommunicate because they got into a conflict with the Mechanicus over the Soul Spear (which the Mechanicus stole from them)

[Aramis_the_Red]

@Grey Mage. I'm aware of that. I have a fluff reason for the unification. Basically(and this is a very barebones explanation, the full will be in an IA) the 3 chapters fought together to exterminate a large tendril of a hive fleet and were almost destroyed. They decided to stick together while they were rebuilding on a brothers in arms strength in numbers mindset. They only decided to join together completely after finding the space station. Also, I like your ideas about the station, and have some rather similar things in mind.

 

@Leonaides- The reason they have decided not to hand over the station is because they have an immediate use for the station, and if they hand it over to the Ad Mech it will be hundreds of years study and bureaucracy before it will ever be used. Not to mention the fact that the Ad Mech may declare it unpure and destroy it, which after seeing what it can do would be about as bad to them as someone deciding to pull the plug on old Emp's chair.

 

I appreciate the feedback guys. :sweat:

[Aramis_the_Red]

it depends.

the Soul Drinkers were declared excommunicate because they got into a conflict with the Mechanicus over the Soul Spear (which the Mechanicus stole from them)

 

Honestly, I'd think it was more because they killed a whole lot of them for not giving it back and then telling an Inquisitor to insert his cranium into his rectum. But that could be just me.

[Haunter!]

Didn't the Blood Angels refuse to turn over the SDT for the Baal Pred? I think the Mechanicus is still pretty mad about that, but -they- (the Mechanicus) cannot deem a Chapter traitors, only the High Lord of Terra can.

 

Kind of like how the everyone's favorite psychos, the Flesh Tearers, are close to being investigated due to reports from the Sisters that saw them at Gaius Point. They're still zipping around doing their thing. They may not be trusted entirely, however, but they're still in the fight.

 

I think having your marines finding the G.E.C.K. (sorry, could not pass that up) is a good starting point. I think the more interesting thing is how they intend on using it and what will come of them doing so. It would be mighty suspicious for a dead planet to suddenly have an atmosphere and a fortress-monastery being constructed. If I were an Inquisitor I would want to check that out...

[Aramis_the_Red]

Didn't the Blood Angels refuse to turn over the SDT for the Baal Pred? I think the Mechanicus is still pretty mad about that, but -they- (the Mechanicus) cannot deem a Chapter traitors, only the High Lord of Terra can.

 

Kind of like how the everyone's favorite psychos, the Flesh Tearers, are close to being investigated due to reports from the Sisters that saw them at Gaius Point. They're still zipping around doing their thing. They may not be trusted entirely, however, but they're still in the fight.

 

I think having your marines finding the G.E.C.K. (sorry, could not pass that up) is a good starting point. I think the more interesting thing is how they intend on using it and what will come of them doing so. It would be mighty suspicious for a dead planet to suddenly have an atmosphere and a fortress-monastery being constructed. If I were an Inquisitor I would want to check that out...

 

I was inspired by the G.E.C.K. and by Centerpoint Station in the Star Wars novels. It's kind of a combination of both.

 

They've been using it extensively to reconstruct their sector that was ravaged by a tendril of a bug hive fleet.

 

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[Emperors Immortals]

Every chapter should harbour a secret - my own guiys have had a large amount of troops fall to chaos on crusade (RAS to Khorne) as well as higher then normal amount of guys falling into Death Co.

 

But the clincher is the small amount of Celestial Lions troops being hidden from the Inquisition in recognition of there outstanding actions on Armageddon.

[Lord_Reven]

If they spam recruted to above 1k members, the inquisition would defidently say something about it. The only chapters to date that can get away with having alot more then the standard 1k marines are the black templar and space wolves. The black templar because no1 has ever managed to prove how many there are, and because they have served faithfully for 10,000 years. The space wolves because splitting the leagion into chapters dident work cuz of the wolfen thing, and the space wolves have also been doin stuff for the imperium for 10,000 years. I doubt any chapter other then the 1st founding chapters could get away with having 3000 members.

[Lars Skywolf]

Remember that the soul drinkers were banished because they refused to hand over the soulspear to the adeptus mechanicus (which they waited till they got the relic, teleported them on board, stole the spear and abandoned them to the planet). So the idea of adepts making up a false charge and acting like a spoilt child inst too far off from the soul drinkers chapter.

[Brother Nathan]

Well in theory... See by the time you add up the whole chapter, including rhino drivers, other veichle drivers, gunners, the libarium, the sanguary priests, techmarines, chaplincy, captains, hounour guards, death co, sanguard, pilots, dreads etc youll find that a chapter is generally over 1000 rregardless of the scout company being counted or not. as for casultys... well its very hard to kill a marine. lets just say theres probably a huge bunch being rehabilitated at any point. Nevermind that most chapters have different structural differences somewhere. salamanders have 120 in first co. some chapters can have 200+scouts. so it can be pushed up and up. whatsmore likely is that the 3 chapters will wiggle their way with the inq by submitting their geneseed as 3 seperate chapters etc. could even have that if they go for a united scheme they all have different helm or shoulder pad so they can still claim to be three chapters even if they are really one. what would be more their worry would be the mechanicus. seriously that ship would be like setting a beer in front of an alcholic thats had his booze takenaway against his will. maby they discovered tat some of the mechanicus were traitors and brought chaos to them so they cant trust any of them. this though would leae difficults with the techmarine and their training and ergo veichles would suffer etc. not that that would matter with such a big ship. but that would be required for 3k marines and all their support staff, what is it 20 men to a marine?

[Jakobus]

It would be a definate possibility, if you wanted to say they where I can think up couple of plausible stories of the top of my head, from political reasons to a straight down the line Inquisitoral Agent with lingering loyalties to Mars pushing it through.

Of course I can think of reasons where they wouldn't be in exactly the same ways.

 

I mean the Chapter master(s) probably wouldn't be getting into a :( swinging contest with either Mars or Terra, the numbers of marines would something they would "investigate the cause and revise the recruiting process" to reduce to occurance of such 'miscalculations' of operation forces.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

it depends.

the Soul Drinkers were declared excommunicate because they got into a conflict with the Mechanicus over the Soul Spear (which the Mechanicus stole from them)

 

This is the first thing that came to my mind while reading the OP. The major difference here is that the Soul Drinkers were unknowingly tainted by Tzneetch.

 

Seeing that the Blood Angels are highly recognized chapter I don't think they could be declared traitors for such an action. It could all just boil down to politics at the end of the day and the BA have a lot friends and many owe them favors.

 

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[Zealadin]

I like your concept!

Someone else stated that the chapters normally basically self destruct in some form if they can't rebuild, which obviously for some would be a rather bitter pill. I mean sure that may be 'the thing to do' but lets be realistic if you have an objective, a goal or a sacred quest, your not going to just accept failure. Just way too emo even for BA.

 

So I think the concept of the chapters mixing is plausable, you just need to work it in a way that doesn't ruffle too many feathers, unless you don't mind ruffling the die hard 'must be by the lore' players in which case your pretty free to do what you like. Perhaps have one chapter as a 'leader' of sorts. They may still be seperate within a greater umbrella of leadership.

 

The terraforming creation is also quite ingenious, do they want it for themselves, perhaps a new united home planet, or for other reasons? Perhaps to repair damage done by the tyranids (plausible with the backstory you described so far). Has someone tried to take it away? Do people want to try? Perhaps its safest in their hands for now, they probably aren't politically motivated.

 

The numbers thing can be looked at in many ways.... do you want to be up front and say "They number 3000 and counting" or do you want to say "their true strength is unknown to outside sources, but rumour has it that it far exceeds normal chapter strength, a fact which has been let lie due to their continuing use to the imperium"

 

They could certainly be skirting the edges of the emperors grace!

[Valtonis]

it depends.

the Soul Drinkers were declared excommunicate because they got into a conflict with the Mechanicus over the Soul Spear (which the Mechanicus stole from them)

 

This is the first thing that came to my mind while reading the OP. The major difference here is that the Soul Drinkers were unknowingly tainted by Tzneetch.

 

 

 

they only became tainted because the Mechanicum stole from them not the other way around.

and they were declared excommunicate because they attacked the Mechanicum and Imperial forces because of that incident

[thundrchickn]

nice idea. I like "traitor" blood angels. my own chapter are "traitors" although no one even knows the exist anymore.