Don’t claim your chapter is created whole from another chapter

[ewhile]

The Don’ts of DIY creation

Originally by Rogue Trader

 

Don’t claim your chapter is created whole from another chapter

This happened once, and that was the second founding when the legions were split. Having a chapter build up to a number of marines large enough to split into two chapters isn’t going to happen. Having a cadre of veterans train a new chapter is fine.

 

Is it possible to use this plot device with a successor chapter to the Black templars? Meaning the High lords of Terra finally decide that the Templars must split their forces into pieces or something like that.

[Ferrata]

A good rule for creating a DIY chapter is don't screw with GW chapters. The size of the Black Templars is unknown to everyone, even maybe the High Marshall himself, so saying your chapter was founded because the High Lords thought to act on the Templars size messes with the GW chapter - not a great idea.

[soddinnutter]

No.

 

Because if the Black Templers ever get a bumper crop of new recruits then they get to split off from the main body and crusade two world instead of just one.

 

Do not think of the Black Templars as a cohesive force. The left hand does not know what the righ hand is doing takes on a whole new meaning when there are 4000 - 9000 marines split into groups of 20 - 200 and no group knows nor particually cares what any of the others are doing.

 

These numbers are estimates because the High Marshal of the Black Templars either pretends to not know or, more likely, has only the vaugest grasp of how many people he has at his command. Given that the Templers are spread pretty thinly from one Edge to the other and it can take months if not years, assuming there are no problems to add further delays, for a message to cross the galactic plane its unlikely that a census could be carried out and it not be horrificaly inacurate the moment it is compiled. And even if it was possible there would be no way the High Marshal would sponser one because so far the =I= only strongly suspects that they are breaking the rules. the moment there are solid figures to prove anything they could have levarage against the BT.

 

Try to think of each little group of BTs as their own micro-chapter.

[Octavulg]

"You are not the [blank] Templars

Many DIYers like to have the Black Templars be their training cadre. However, there are a number of both in-universe and out-of-universe problems with this. Why would the High Lords choose the Black Templars? They're headstrong, violate the Codex, and are completely outside Imperial control, even moreso than the usual Astartes independence. The High Lords would not trust them. Nor would they be a good choice for a training cadre, precisely because of their particular quirks – they'd pass them on to the new Chapter, which would provide the High Lords with another problem chapter. Added to this, there's the fact that most people seem to simply take the opportunity to recreate the Black Templars, thus raising the issue of why the exercise was undertaken in the first place. The Black Templars as a Chapter cadre raise far, far more problems than they solve."

 

- From the Octaguide

 

That's my own feelings on the matter, anyway.

[kiwitexansfan]

If you REALLY REALLY want a BT successor chapter your best bet would be to take Dorn Geneseed from Fists and then say that those chosen to found the new chapter discovered that they shared an admiration of the way the Templars went about business and set out to emulate their methods/attitudes etc.

[recon0321]

never claimed they were created whole!! just training cadre but guess black templars wont train anyone but themselves so alright

[Acebaur]

No.

 

Because if the Black Templers ever get a bumper crop of new recruits then they get to split off from the main body and crusade two world instead of just one.

 

Do not think of the Black Templars as a cohesive force. The left hand does not know what the righ hand is doing takes on a whole new meaning when there are 4000 - 9000 marines split into groups of 20 - 200 and no group knows nor particually cares what any of the others are doing.

 

These numbers are estimates because the High Marshal of the Black Templars either pretends to not know or, more likely, has only the vaugest grasp of how many people he has at his command. Given that the Templers are spread pretty thinly from one Edge to the other and it can take months if not years, assuming there are no problems to add further delays, for a message to cross the galactic plane its unlikely that a census could be carried out and it not be horrificaly inacurate the moment it is compiled. And even if it was possible there would be no way the High Marshal would sponser one because so far the =I= only strongly suspects that they are breaking the rules. the moment there are solid figures to prove anything they could have levarage against the BT.

 

Try to think of each little group of BTs as their own micro-chapter.

 

 

You're a bit off there. The High Marshal actually knows exactly how many marines are in the chapter. This is per the fluff in our codex. The =I= knows that we have more than we should(not how many though) but they pretty much look the other way, because we have no evidence of disloyalty in our long history. As for how we communicate the codex indicates that while we are spread over a larger area than most chapters we are still able to communicate with other elements as needed. Though it does indicate how we do this is a bit of a mystery.