Grey Mage Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 3 Units of GHs with Plasma Guns, Pistols, Powerfists, Rhinos, and Totems- 735pts. About the price of these nob bikerz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2506842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 How did you kill 3 Nobz with Murderous Hurricane? Rolling a 1 on a dangerous terrain just causes a single wound. Did he roll like 6 1s out of 10 dice? its happened. they usually have a couple of wounds on them. then he moves and gets a couple more wounds. then he assaults and gets a couple of more. on average he should roll 3 to 4 1s during his turn so 6 is just slightly worse Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2506967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PagingMrHerman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Jaws of the World Wolf is the most solid counter. Outfitting a Grey Hunter unit specifically for one unit in one army is silly IMO. Jaws is good in every army you play except perhaps Eldar, in which case the Rune Priest's psychic defense is awesome, so it's not a waste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Also gleam knowledge from this previous thread. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...p;hl=nob+bikers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Only time I've faced them, my TWC death-star (four TWC, a WL and WGBL) got charged by them after they had been softened up by two units of Killa Kans. My WGBL with a Frost Blade killed two of the regular Nobs outright, the regular TWC took out another, and then the WL and Warboss went simultaneous against each other, Thunder Hammer versus Power Klaw. I insta-killed the Warboss and saved all my invulnerables on the WL (had Bear anyway), and proceeded to run the unit down with one TWC and both HQs still standing. So TWC seems to work well for me. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anpu42 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Outfitting a Grey Hunter unit specifically for one unit in one army is silly IMO. But outfiting the Grey Hunters with Plasma Guns x2/Plasma Pistol, Power Fist, MotW and Wolf Standard is not outfiting them for Ork Nobz, it for everything ;) I beat MEQs, Eldar and Nids with them too real well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Outfitting a Grey Hunter unit specifically for one unit in one army is silly IMO. But outfiting the Grey Hunters with Plasma Guns x2/Plasma Pistol, Power Fist, MotW and Wolf Standard is not outfiting them for Ork Nobz, it for everything :rolleyes: I beat MEQs, Eldar and Nids with them too real well. Indeed- the packs I listed above are standard fair in my lists, when I have the points or inclination to bring pistols. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarvald the Troll-faced Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 And then you realize all your delicious plasma weaponry is wasted against Boyz and you start crying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thylacine Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 A regular opponent uses them and his self confessed great fear is a squadron of three Land Speeders with HF/MM sometimes I back this up with a squadron of speeders with 2xHB/AC and one with MM/MM. They turbo to block his moves, stay behind cover and pounce to strike. I have noticed that in recent games he keeps the bikes on his side of the table or places them in the open to lure my speeders out in the open. When he does this I just snipe him with Predators and Dreadnoughts. He will be reading this, bugger now to come up with another cunning plan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 And then you realize all your delicious plasma weaponry is wasted against Boyz and you start crying. Except... it isnt. A Plasma Gun is better than a bolter against boys... and a pistol isnt bad either actually as wounding on a 2+ is better then a second shot in many cases. Then we have things like mega-nobz, dethkoptas, and trukks or buggies where theres simply no contest- plasma wins. A Plasmagun is never a waste against anything a bolter would be good against, and rarely bad against anything- AV 13 and 14 being about the only exception. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2507731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I say it again. Rune Priest 100 points with Jaws of the World wolf. (or 2 if you are going for overkill) Drive the guy up and target that pesky painboy. After that they die very quickly from regular Bolter Fire (or race of the board due to failed morale test. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2508856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I've blind sided so many ork vehicles with a single plasma gun in the right place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2508864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Missles are no good really. They DO NOT ignore FNP or the armor save. - They are AP3 - not 2 or 1. While still doable because they cause instant death, not your best option. Plasma is alright, melta will get you further. Torrent of fire is also useful. This is one of the few situations where JoTWW is the preferred power. If you can line them up, do so. The Calidus and a drop pod w/ a Rune priest work devestatingly. You can try and kill them with torrent fire if you can manage to pick off the Pain boy with JoTWW. The other option is going for the bosspole and trying for the break and escorting off. The best way to reduce their effectiveness unit these goals can be accomplished is throwing less valuable things at them. Don't send Rag or some IC that can be instant killed after them. A Lord with TH+SS and Bear can do well but needs ablative wounds to come from somewhere. Logan can also do well but he's a little more fragile. Arjac is great, especially if he's got a warboss in there as well. Though you will loose the unit he's attached too and possibly him if you haven't thinned your opponent out. Though getting Arjacs unit killed first round is usually desirable because it allows him to be stubborn and keep fighting. But this is only good if his turn is next. In the end use JoTWW if you have it, if you don't then give him some speedbumps you don't mind loosing. He can only kill 1 unit a turn if that's all you allow him to have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2508915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 These aren't Mega-Nobz, we're talking about Biker Nobz. They only have a 4+ save and count as toughness 4 for instant death purposes. Last I looked feel-no-pain can't save you against an instant death hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2508962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Three HF/MM speeders sounds quite nasty....no cover save...maybe 5+INV (but means they are extra expensive) then three shots IKing if they get past the cover. Course if there are looterz mass rockets and or mass big shootaz the LS may get into trouble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2508996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 You might have me on the instant death thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2509016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 He does and as for them getting fnp vereses jaws they dont, someone said that this is because it cause no armor save its not it s becasue it cause no wounds, then there was hurricane where you also dont get fnp why? it has nothing to do with it ignoring armor saves as fnp can not be use against 'close combat attack that ignor armor saves' and ap 1 ans 2 weaponary, hurricane is neither of these, it comes down to the brb where there is a list of things you dont get fnp against and one is dangerous or difficult terrain tests. also storm shield thunderhammer wolf lord with saga of the bear should clean up many and its a pretty stable unit in sw army, actually it doesnt even need saga of the bear now that i think about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/209931-how-to-get-rid-of-nob-bikers/page/2/#findComment-2509071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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