DAG42 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 The rule for these thing says it follow's normal DS, except that when it comes WITHIN 1 inch it's not destroyed you move the models away. My opponent was trying to DS on an objective held by a tact sqd. and use this rule to move them off. I said he couldn't because he didn't move WITHIN he was starting WITHIN the imaginary bubble. My question is who's right in this case? I know GW doesn't always clarify things, but I believe this was stretching his rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 after playing necrons for the first time this wknd, and reading the monolith rules, anything that it lands on is moved out of the way. Cant remember anything about scattering, etc as that would be drop pods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 Everything that DS's scatters unless stated by special rule..ie...Dante or DW assault through teleport homer. Monolith has no such special rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 sorry what i ment was that drop pods reduce the scatter the the minimum needed to not hit an enemy, that means if you choose to put them on a unit and roll a hit it turns into a DP mishap as there is no minimum to reduce. Monoliths state that where ever they come down they move what is below them out of the way, they can even move immobile vehicles away, it doesnt matter where they were initially placed (unlike DP's) and they dont mishap landing on an enemy or friendly unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 I understand that it will move a unit if it scatters into it. But he specifically targeted a unit in cover on an objective. I don't think the DS rules alow for that. Which he still would have had to take the test for terrain as a skimmer finishing a move on rough terrain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 With one exception- the mawloc- the rules say you have to be able to put the model on the table- you place it there as part of deep striking. Now, if your opponents monolith was modeled so he could actually do that... then yeah, hes ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 Explain Mawloc. The model would have been able to stand there on it's bottom The walls and temple piece would have supported, a little teeter totter but. Now as with jump troops and skimmers the can fit in difficult terrain he would've still had to test then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2505825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 The mawloc explicitly says it can.... provides no actual physical way to accomplish this, so youll have to just figure out something agreeable to both parties. Now, as for the monolith- your models would have to move out of the way, and then hed have to make a dangerous terrain test- ie he might become immobilized. Assuming it scattered into them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share Posted September 7, 2010 That's just it he wasn't scattering into the unit or rough terrain, he was targeting those two at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 That's just it he wasn't scattering into the unit or rough terrain, he was targeting those two at the same time. Like I said- you cant drop a monolith on top of a unit, unless you actually can physically place the monolith in that location without destroying/squishing/moving anyones models until after it scatters. So, if he places it and it scattered into that position its fine- you move your models. He cannot however just hold it over them and say 'it goes here' because the brb specificly states that models cannot be left hovering over the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share Posted September 7, 2010 OK, it didn't have legs, or anything like that. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 OK, it didn't have legs, or anything like that. Thanks. Legs don't really matter (should you come across a Monolith with legs one day) it is more to do with two models occupying the same space :< which makes the emperor a sad panda! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azatoth Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Basically no DS unit beside the Tyranid creature can be intentionally placed in a way where it touches another unit, during its initial deployment (before scatter is rolled). If it touches units after its scatterroll is made then those models are moved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/210282-deepstriking-monolith/#findComment-2506611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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