Autolas Pred VS HBlas Pred

[Stefoserpent]

Hello Brothers!

 

I am usually putting 2 predators in my list , for support and mostly anti-tank roles , as I am playing with 20 Assault Marines and Vanguard Veterans. I am using the Twin-linked lascannon and HB sponsor setup , coming at a nice 145 pts cost.

 

I have never used the other setup , with the Autocannon and the Lascannon Sponsors , which costs 135 pts.

The thing is , I believe the fist predator is more efficient. Twinl-linked means the Lascannon will most certainly hit ( 75% possible ) and the 6 heavy bolter rolls come at 3 hits average

 

On the other hand the second combo fires only 1 Autocannon roll and 2 Lascannon rolls , which means that average , 1 lascannon hit and 1 Autocannon hit..

 

Whats more , the turret has better LoS than the sponsors of the second setup so that lascannon roll will be rolled. Now the HB are not so effective agaist armor ( being able to penetrate only AV10 ) but they r effective agaist infatry , which is not so bad , considering that either the Autocannon can do great against vehicles...

 

Anyway , what kind of preds do you use? And which setup you believe to be more effective?

[JamesI]

The auto/las pred without a doubt.

 

Heavy bolters are almost useless at shooting vehicles, and the auto/las pred can hurt most transports pretty well. If I was going to use heavy bolters on a pred, it would be an autocannon pred to maximize number of shots or a Baal.

[Redo]

For an anti-tank Pred the AC and sponson LC are the go. 2 Autocannons shots and the 2 lascannons mean that it has a good chance of doing some damage. It is also threatening against armoured troops and can fire all its' weaponry on the move.

 

The best place for HB bolters are Baal or pure Dakka preds. Both of which are normally better for anti-infantry roles.

[Black_Sky]

First you need to get the numbers right.

 

Las/hb pred hits around 88% with the las, and 4/6 hb shots.

 

The auto/las pred hits with 1.3 auto- and lascannon shots.

 

The las/hb variant is a mixed platform, with the lascannon taking out heavy vehicles and the heavy bolters putting a hurt on infantry.

 

Compared to each other the las/hb pred kills more indantry, and the auto/las pred is more effective vs med/heavy vehicles and heavy infantry. I would always chose the autocannon/lascannon predator, as the long range high strength shots is where my army is lacking. we have baals, bolters and close combat to take out infantry threats, meltas and high strength melee for tough targets up close. Lascannons and missile launchers are our only options for high strength firepower against threats more than twentyfour inches away, and the autolas pred comes with twice the amount of cannons than the other.

[Leonaides]

Yep, Autocannon/Las sponsons for me. Consider it this way - you have either 1 shot (with a re-roll) which might cause 1 damage roll) or 2 separate dice to roll, with an equal chance of getting at least 1 hit to the twin-linked Las, but has a chance of getting 2 hits. Worried about LOS? then you've probably moved your tank to the wrong place, or been unlucky enough to have it immobilised.

[Busterboy]

I like the TLLC/HB predator personally but I think it depends on your army. I play with a lot of tanks and some assault troops so having that lascannon on a turret helps alot with line of sight while the rest of my army moves forward. If you like to play a more shooty list that is not as aggressive then line of sight may not be much of an issue. I find it is also easier to get some side shoots on a tank with my TLLC/HB predator because I can move the predator and still fire the lascannon and having the twin link help make sure I get a hit.

[Mezkh]

TLLC/HB pred is flexible - it's the MM/HF equivalent of the Speeder, and flexibility is what SM are about. The advantages of the set-up shouldn't be downplayed - The turret is a far better mounting for a Lascannon than the sponsons, and you can move 12" and fire it, eating up AV 10 and 11. For tough targets, we don't lack for vehicle busting options up close.

[Crynn]

Auto las pred every time vrs heavy infantry MC;s and vehicles. It is also the only BA pred that sees competitive play,

 

Regards Crynn

[bloodancient]

just off subject i'm a big fan of TLLC/LC pred ahh the good ole annihilator i'm going to get a destructor and maybe mix up the turrets to change play. I think you need to judge what you need or what would be better for you by what you field. do you battle many high or low value vehicles. Their both good it's just what do you need.

[Crynn]

personally i would take 3 multimelta attack bike over a tri las pred for tank hunting. however for anti troop i believe the autocannon heavy bolter pred is under rated. look at it this way would you pay 50 points to turn an auto cannon into a twinlinked assault cannon? its a lot right, well I like baals but that is the point difference between a baal with HB's and a pred, a huge amount so dont discount that pred if troop killing is what your after, it is very cost efficient.

[SamaNagol]

AC/Las pred is EXCELLENT especially given that it can fire all 3 weapons and move