Is Logan too much for smaller games?

[Dahli Llama]

There's a local 1200 point tournament (I know it's kind of a weird point level, but that's what it is) coming up at the end of the year, and I've been slowly putting together a Space Wolves army though trades and such. The models currently available to me are the following:

 

Logan Grimnar

2 AOBR Dreadnoughts converted to have Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamers

4 Terminators with Wolf Claws

1 Terminator with Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield

5 AOBR Terminators

2 Cyclone Missile Launchers

10 Grey Hunters (one melta, one powerfist)

5 Long Fangs (currently only have 2 missile launchers)

4 Rhinos

4 Drop Pods

1 Space Marine Captain (on the sprue so he'll be used for bits for a Rune Priest, etc)

 

 

Now, I'd love to use Logan in the list simply because it should be fun. That said, he costs a pretty penny.

 

The list I'm thinking about is something like this:

 

1 Logan Grimnar

 

1 Dreadnought

1 Heavy Flamer

1 TL-Multimelta

 

1 Drop Pod

 

1 Dreadnought

1 Heavy Flamer

1 TL-Multimelta

 

1 Drop Pod

 

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

 

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

 

4 Tunderwolf Cavalry

1 Thunderhammer

2 Power Weapons

1 Melta Bombs

 

 

The thunderwolves would run around munching things, while the rest of the army dropped in. Depending on the opponents deployment, the Wolf Guard could be deployed out of their pods to ensure that they are firing their missiles all game long.

 

The other thought would be to put 4 Long Fangs with Multi-Meltas in a pod with Arjack and Logan and let them run amok, but that's putting even more eggs into one basket.

 

My biggest concerns with the list above are the relatively weak troops and the fact that I'm not really taking full advantage of Logan's abilities.

[Wysten]

I would say your list is realtively finely balienced as it is. Personally, I don't like the use of dreads in that manner. I think Land Speeders are much more economical with that use. That, or another Thunder Wolf Pack for more mind games. Do they reserve everything and possibly get killed piece by piece or do they start off everything and blast the wolves?

 

That being said, provided Logan gets a really good use. I would say it's fine to use him, I would struggle to find a use for around 1000 points, but at the same time your list quite nicely uses him to add huge pressure and the real ideal of an elite army. Just not really sold on the dreads to be used in that matter, dropping them like that seems a waste of points and disrespectful to them. Rather give them Plasma Cannons and march them up. Putting crippling blasts onto the units in the transports like a real god of war.

 

 

Edit: You can only give 1 Thunder Wolf in the squad a power weapon. So that means you need to replace the power weapons with something else. I would recommend a storm shield.

[Karack Blackstone]

To point it out, to my knowledge no Space Marine army gets TL-Multi-Meltas on their Dreads.

 

Still a useful weapon, but a rare case for Venerable when one can afford it; do your best otherwise and hope your dice like you.

[Dahli Llama]

To point it out, to my knowledge no Space Marine army gets TL-Multi-Meltas on their Dreads.

 

Still a useful weapon, but a rare case for Venerable when one can afford it; do your best otherwise and hope your dice like you.

 

According to the codex:

"Replace assault cannon with:

- Twin Linked Heavy Flamer or Multi-Melta...free"

 

Not sure on the meaning of that. I guess I read it as both the Heavy Flamer and the Multi-melta would be twin linked. If I'm wrong on that, please let me know.

 

 

As for dropping the dreads in, with the close range weapons they are equipped with, I really think it's the best way of getting them up close. I'll probably magnetize the arms so I can switch them to something else later, but right now that's what I have.

[Karack Blackstone]

On the model, if you have any access to the old Long Fang box set, there is two "barrels" that indicate the weapon. This does not indicate a TL setup.

 

Also, if you read the weapon listings as sections and names, the proper English language usage would indicate the "or" separating the "Multi-Melta."

 

I don't have my codex with me, but to me it seems wrong to assume that both are Twin-Linked. The or is a spacer, or joiner. This full set of considerations is my attempt to inform you that the MM is not, sadly, TLMM.

 

If you don't glue the arms they should come right off and get put back on with no trouble. Fewer failure points should lead to more reliability.

[Anpu42]

He is very doable even at 500 points. I know very few units that can cope with this at this level.

 

500 Pts - Space Wolves Roster

 

Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf @ 275 pts

 

Wolf Guard Pack @ 109 pts

-1x Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor (Frost Weapon x1, Storm Bolter x1)

2 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor (Power Weapon x2; Storm Bolter x2)

 

Wolf Guard Pack @ 112 pts

-4x Wolf Guard in Power Armor (Bolt Pistol x4; Power Weapon x4)

 

Total Roster Cost: 496

[JMac]

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

 

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

You have other WG in here, no? Cause this reads you only have 4, which makes the CML illegal. Sorry for nitpicking, I just want to have your list correct :) Also, a DP only holds 10 models while TDA count as 2, you cannot have 4 multi-meltas, Logan, and Arjac all in one DP.

 

I like the idea of the DP list and has a great element of surprise. However, you have to be really careful where you put your WG as they are your only scoring unit and there are limited numbers of them. I cannot give you advice because I have not played a DP list.

[Grimtooth]

He is very doable even at 500 points. I know very few units that can cope with this at this level.

 

500 Pts - Space Wolves Roster

 

Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf @ 275 pts

 

Wolf Guard Pack @ 109 pts

-1x Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor (Frost Weapon x1, Storm Bolter x1)

2 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor (Power Weapon x2; Storm Bolter x2)

 

Wolf Guard Pack @ 112 pts

-4x Wolf Guard in Power Armor (Bolt Pistol x4; Power Weapon x4)

 

Total Roster Cost: 496

 

500 Pts - Space Wolves Roster

 

HQ: Rune Priest in Power Armour

1 Rune Priest in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Chooser of the Slain; Bolt Pistol; Runic Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Independent Character; Psyker; Living Lightning; Murderous Hurricane)

 

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack

5 Grey Hunters Pack (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x4; Plasmagun; Power Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)

1 Razorback (Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

 

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack

5 Grey Hunters Pack (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of the Wulfen; Wolf Standard; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x4; Plasmagun; Power Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

1 Grey Hunter w/ Mark of the Wulfen (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x1; Bolter x1; Close Combat Weapon x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Rending in CC only)

1 Razorback (Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

 

Total Roster Cost: 500

 

I just ate your 500pt Logan list.

[Grimtooth]

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

 

5 Wolf Guard

2 Combi-melta

1 Terminator Armor

1 CML

 

1 Drop Pod

You have other WG in here, no? Cause this reads you only have 4, which makes the CML illegal. Sorry for nitpicking, I just want to have your list correct :) Also, a DP only holds 10 models while TDA count as 2, you cannot have 4 multi-meltas, Logan, and Arjac all in one DP.

 

I like the idea of the DP list and has a great element of surprise. However, you have to be really careful where you put your WG as they are your only scoring unit and there are limited numbers of them. I cannot give you advice because I have not played a DP list.

 

He is covered. He has 5 Wolf Guard, one of them in TDA with a CML. The other 4 are in power armor with two of them having combi meltas. As for the multi-melta set-up he has that covered as well. Long Fangs are in power armor, that would be pack leader + 4 multi-melta which equals 5. Attach Arjac and Logan and that equals 9 total which would fit in the drop pod.

[Anpu42]

I just ate your 500pt Logan list.

 

I did not say Auto-win I said doable, that and there are to many variables to do Rock-Paper-Sissors

Wait these are Space Wolves

 

Beer-Axe-Rubber Ball :)

[Dahli Llama]

Thanks for the help.

 

I also play Eldar and Tau, so this is really my first foray into a power armor army.

 

Low point games are kind of my bane, especially with the overpriced units in Eldar and Tau.

[stinkenheim]

Why would you even consider Logan at 500pts? Seriously, that is just stupid in my opinion. Logan is the Chapter Master and should only really be leading the army in large scale conflicts, which 500pt battles certainly aren't. I don't mean to insult you but to me that isn't even close to being fun and is so cheap.

 

@ Dahli Llama I think you'll likely find landspeeders to be a better fit than the Dreads, plus they will be cheaper meaning you can take more of them (maybe even just drop on dread in favour of a landspeeder or 2).

Also with everything but your Thunderwolves being held in reserve expect them to take alot of punishment in that first turn as 50% of the time the enemy will have nothing else to target.

[Wysten]

Why would you even consider Logan at 500pts? Seriously, that is just stupid in my opinion. Logan is the Chapter Master and should only really be leading the army in large scale conflicts, which 500pt battles certainly aren't. I don't mean to insult you but to me that isn't even close to being fun and is so cheap.

 

@ Dahli Llama I think you'll likely find landspeeders to be a better fit than the Dreads, plus they will be cheaper meaning you can take more of them (maybe even just drop on dread in favour of a landspeeder or 2).

Also with everything but your Thunderwolves being held in reserve expect them to take alot of punishment in that first turn as 50% of the time the enemy will have nothing else to target.

 

Fun is such a subjective term, based invidial values. Often influnced by victory or loss. Plus theres nothing to say that Logan may not go on small pack hunts now and again with his wolf guard to crush isolated threats or bring down pray in a good hunt. I would be more worried about the lack of units personally. Being outnumbered 4 to 1 at the very least (unless your playing against Grey Knights. Lol) means pulling a victory rests heavily on whether one makes the saves or not. I personally think 500 points is extremely unbalienced in nature considering it's a game meant for 1500/2000 ranges.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

for a 500 point game..what I would recommend.

 

2 Lone Wolves in TDA with a Fenris Wolf each.

 

Wolf Priest

5 GH with meltagun

 

6 gh with meltagun,PW,WS

 

2 Razorbacks with heavy bolters.

 

simple,lean,500 point army,with 2 hard as nails lone wolves that can take all the fire that a 500 point army can dish out without a moments hesitation.

[Grey Mage]

I dont think Logan is a viable choice, outside of a WGTDA army, until you hit 1500pts, minimum. Hes the same price as a tooled up LRC for goodness sakes.

[Thunderhawk3015]

I dont think Logan is a viable choice, outside of a WGTDA army, until you hit 1500pts, minimum. Hes the same price as a tooled up LRC for goodness sakes.

 

^This^

 

Better off with a WGBL with a SS/Frostblade/Runic Armor in a pack of Grey Hunters or Blood Claws or a Rune Priest throwing things across the field with your Long Fangs.