Sons of the Daemon

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

No, to elaborate would be to not keep us in the dark. :rolleyes:

See, if we now start on why Demi-Legions on top of everything else is not a good idea, you can say "but you don't know what they really are", and you'd be right. But it's because we're not being told what they are.

Remember, you're not writing a novel with a shocking twist ending, you're telling us the facts about the second legion in IA format.

The novels can come later.

 

Oops, sorry. That was a bit rant-like. My apologies if that comes across as blunt or tactless. :sweat:

 

Although I'm not so sure if that's really... Sons of the Daemony. They seem darker. The Wraiths hold copyright on muted colors right now for me though.

With a name like Sons of the Daemon I'd expect a rather darker red, maybe with the lighter one for trim. Blue doesn't fit the mental image I had for these guys at all, but since it's one of my favourite colours I'm hardly going to argue with you over it. :P

 

:angry:

DemiLegion means nothing more than it's split into two or more parts, and seeing as I haven't multiplied their legs (yet) that means they are split into two parts. Nothing more, nothing less. It's actually going to emphasize their low numbers, as them being split into two = 1500 marines on either side, which is a chapter and a half.

 

Gotta go. Will elaborate later.

[Ace Debonair]

:P

DemiLegion means nothing more than it's split into two or more parts, and seeing as I haven't multiplied their legs (yet) that means they are split into two parts. Nothing more, nothing less. It's actually going to emphasize their low numbers, as them being split into two = 1500 marines on either side, which is a chapter and a half.

 

Gotta go. Will elaborate later.

I don't like the sound of that 'yet'.

I kid, I kid. :P

 

See what I mean about the 'spoilers', though? If you'd said 'the legion is divided into two parts, that's all', you could have saved yourself some Hammertime. ;)

...OK, so I could have probably inferred that from the name demi-legion, but sometimes I can never really tell with you. :)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

:lol:

DemiLegion means nothing more than it's split into two or more parts, and seeing as I haven't multiplied their legs (yet) that means they are split into two parts. Nothing more, nothing less. It's actually going to emphasize their low numbers, as them being split into two = 1500 marines on either side, which is a chapter and a half.

 

Gotta go. Will elaborate later.

I don't like the sound of that 'yet'.

I kid, I kid. :P

 

See what I mean about the 'spoilers', though? If you'd said 'the legion is divided into two parts, that's all', you could have saved yourself some Hammertime. ;)

...OK, so I could have probably inferred that from the name demi-legion, but sometimes I can never really tell with you. :P

I like it that way. I like introducing new and crazy ideas and making them work. That you don't know about them beforehand means you can't protest before seeing the actual content.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

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Better?

[Shinzaren]

I just don't picture blue when I think demonic. Maybe that is just me though.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I just don't picture blue when I think demonic. Maybe that is just me though.

Purple?

[Shinzaren]

I just don't picture blue when I think demonic. Maybe that is just me though.

Purple?

 

Not really. I picture black, red, brass, maybe a dark gold. I would go with a two-toned red theme maybe? Lighter red base, and darker red for the rest?

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I just don't picture blue when I think demonic. Maybe that is just me though.

Purple?

 

Not really. I picture black, red, brass, maybe a dark gold. I would go with a two-toned red theme maybe? Lighter red base, and darker red for the rest?

Brass is pretty hard to do, and I don't them to look Khornate, that would be incredibly unsubtle and not even close as to what I'm going for. Black, I'm already using red. Using both would be terrible overkill. Although... it's tempting. Hmmmm....

 

I can't pull of double red though. Hmmmm....

[Ace Debonair]

I just don't picture blue when I think demonic. Maybe that is just me though.

Purple?

 

Not really. I picture black, red, brass, maybe a dark gold. I would go with a two-toned red theme maybe? Lighter red base, and darker red for the rest?

 

Red supplemented with dark red and gold, eh?

I'm sure I've seen that Somewhere else... ;)

 

Cheesy joking and blatant advertising aside, Red and gold would work quite well, or maybe red and brown.

Hell, even two reds could look pretty good. You could do them halved, or use white/grey for the trim.

 

This has got me thinking now... so if you want me to have a bash at throwing together some colours for these guys, just say the word.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

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This has got me thinking now... so if you want me to have a bash at throwing together some colours for these guys, just say the word.

Feel free, my friend, I've never been too good at making schemes myself - just ask what Heru Talon thinks of the Wraiths of Darkness's scheme :(

[Ace Debonair]

Ah, I knew I'd forgotten something. :P

 

EDIT: Removed schemes to cut down on number of pics in thread.

 

How about either of those as potential schemes for your chapter legion?

Any good?

 

EDIT: Yeah, it's not a chapter. Well remembered, Ace. :P

Edited October 16, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Shinzaren]

Definitely the one on the right, simple two tone reddish brown/tan. Very clean. I like it. Ace, if you're so big on coloring, go do mine :P I can never seem to get one that I really like.

 

But really though, definitely the one on the right. The slightly brighter knees/trim on the left just doesn't work so well. Plus, the silver skull/wings on the chest plates adds a really clean contrast.

[Ace Debonair]

I personally preferred the one on the right, but it's DAT's call.

 

I'll take a looksie at your IA, Shinzaren, and see what I can do. :)

 

EDIT:. hurled a PM your way with the relevant stuff in it.

 

No doubt GHY will remark further how I am obsessed with the colouring in of marines. :D

Edited October 15, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

No doubt GHY will remark further how I am obsessed with the colouring in of marines. ;)

 

Well I would, but you beat me to it. :P Not that I in any way imply that it's a bad thing. When I get carried away with making a cool colour scheme for my chapters I enjoy it and get right into all the fiddly bits I possibly can. However, doing it for any other reason ends in frustration for me because I always seem to accidentally close the window, or mis-click and quick-colour over all my work.

 

Don't get me wrong mate, I'm a fan! ;)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Ah, I knew I'd forgotten something. :confused:

 

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How about either of those as potential schemes for your chapter legion?

Any good?

 

EDIT: Yeah, it's not a chapter. Well remembered, Ace. ;)

Actually, no. Neither of them are really good.

 

I agree that the one on the right is better, but they both have really nothing going for them. One's red with tan in the middle. I'm not even sure thats tan or green.

 

I'm not bashing on you, but I'm kind of disapointed with what you came up with.

[Heru]

I'm not even sure thats tan or green.

Are you colour blind?

[Ace Debonair]

I agree that the one on the right is better, but they both have really nothing going for them. One's red with tan in the middle. I'm not even sure thats tan or green.

 

I'm not bashing on you, but I'm kind of disapointed with what you came up with.

 

It's tan. I forget which colour exactly, but it was a GW preset on the painter. :lol:

 

Disapointed, eh? Fair enough. If it's not what you want for your chapter, then I'm not really helping. :)

Give me some pointers, though - what would you consider an improvement?

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Actually, no. Neither of them are really good.

 

I agree that the one on the right is better, but they both have really nothing going for them. One's red with tan in the middle. I'm not even sure thats tan or green.

 

I'm not bashing on you, but I'm kind of disapointed with what you came up with.

 

All due respect, that was rather harsh. I'm sure you could have come up with a better way to get your feelings across and be more appreciative of his efforts. Also, that's tan. Very tan, I was about to say what Heru already did.

 

A quick thank you for having someone else put the effort into trying to create something for your chapter would probably have alleviated it a bit.

 

The emphasized sentence in bold is something I don't quite understand. What exactly don't they have going for them? They are both rather interesting colour schemes based on what has been discussed in this thread. it they haven't turned out as you imagined then you should have given Ace some tighter guidelines to work with.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Actually, no. Neither of them are really good.

 

I agree that the one on the right is better, but they both have really nothing going for them. One's red with tan in the middle. I'm not even sure thats tan or green.

 

I'm not bashing on you, but I'm kind of disapointed with what you came up with.

 

All due respect, that was rather harsh. I'm sure you could have come up with a better way to get your feelings across and be more appreciative of his efforts. Also, that's tan. Very tan, I was about to say what Heru already did.

 

A quick thank you for having someone else put the effort into trying to create something for your chapter would probably have alleviated it a bit.

 

The emphasized sentence in bold is something I don't quite understand. What exactly don't they have going for them? They are both rather interesting colour schemes based on what has been discussed in this thread. it they haven't turned out as you imagined then you should have given Ace some tighter guidelines to work with.

I apoligize for my rudeness, I didn't mean to be so. I did tone down from what I originally wrote though.

 

Yes, I am colorblind, and I have glasses.

 

As for having nothing going for them... I'll break it down.

 

A good color scheme has contrast and balance. An example of contrast would be Red and Blue, like the one I provided. Balance would be making sure that there isn't too much blue to red on one of two opposing points (of four, up, down, right and left sides). My own scheme broke that one, with either of the legs being blue, which not only makes the other side of the scheme undercolored but the top as well.

 

Ace's schemes lack contrast, even though the one on right is roughly balanced (the middle is neutral). Contrast is what makes a scheme interesting, having no contrast really kills a scheme.

[Shinzaren]

I agree with the necessity of contrast, though that is a majority case, not an all the time thing. My personal thoughts on the matter were just that I didn't think blue and red in that combination looked daemonic/warped enough to convey the theme of this chapter. However, I think Ace did put some hard work in that should be appreciated, even if it wasn't up your alley. Perhaps give him a more defined color pallet and see what springs forth from his head. For all we know it may be a fully armed Goddess of Wisdom. Ace is special like that...

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I'm pretty sure Ace isn't Zeus.

 

Red and Blue has fairly servicable contrast, as does green (although Blue and Green together is already taken). Tan could work in the place of red, but not with red. Yellow could interesting to use as a spot color (you know, a color used that contrasts with both the main colours and is used mostly on minor things, IE a pouch, a vial, a whirring chainsword, an eyepeice...).

 

Remember the balancing points!

[Shinzaren]

I'm pretty sure Ace isn't Zeus.

Pretty sure isn't totally sure! Ace Debonair is Zeus. I am calling it right now. It's the only possible explanation.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I'm pretty sure Ace isn't Zeus.

Pretty sure isn't totally sure! Ace Debonair is Zeus. I am calling it right now. It's the only possible explanation.

Let me rephrase...

 

I met the once controlled the daemon who called itself Zeus to the mortals the were known as the Greeks. He was a son of Slaanesh, and turned many to the worship of the Dark Prince. He defied me, when I first called him to our reality once more, but I soon brought him to heel. I summoned him few times after that, once on a campaign against the scions of the Lion and twice more in various conflicts against Ork scum in the Latholis system. After he disapointed me for the third time, I took him to the realm of holy Khorne, so that His servants might punish this 'Zeus'. I have not come for him since then.

 

I doubt that he has escaped the disgust of the Blood God. They would have far too much fun with a Slaaneshi Daemon's blood :devil:

[Ace Debonair]

I'm pretty sure Ace isn't Zeus.

Pretty sure isn't totally sure! Ace Debonair is Zeus. I am calling it right now. It's the only possible explanation.

Let me rephrase...

 

I met the once controlled the daemon who called itself Zeus to the mortals the were known as the Greeks. He was a son of Slaanesh, and turned many to the worship of the Dark Prince. He defied me, when I first called him to our reality once more, but I soon brought him to heel. I summoned him few times after that, once on a campaign against the scions of the Lion and twice more in various conflicts against Ork scum in the Latholis system. After he disapointed me for the third time, I took him to the realm of holy Khorne, so that His servants might punish this 'Zeus'. I have not come for him since then.

 

I doubt that he has escaped the disgust of the Blood God. They would have far too much fun with a Slaaneshi Daemon's blood ;)

 

Serves him right, too, the filthy name-thief.

I mean, er... I'm not Zeus. :lol:

 

Nor am I one of the missing Primarchs. :huh:

 

Red and Blue has fairly servicable contrast, as does green (although Blue and Green together is already taken).

Blue and green is roughly as contrasting, as, say, red and brown.

 

But now I know that you're after contrast, I'm good for another go. :D

 

Stay tuned - I'll edit this post with the results. :D

 

EDIT:

And as if by magic:

 

First one is a palette swap - purple rather than brown. Second is the same colours but quartered. Third one is a mainly brown one, 'cause we didn't rule any colours out. And the fourth one is, basically, me going crazy on the painter. :D

 

Hopefully these are a bit more in line with what DAT wanted.

Remember, if I'm off target, you gotta point me in the right direction.

 

POST-EDIT EDIT: Cutting down on picture count. ;)

Edited October 19, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Honestly I like the first and fourth ones. The last one may have you been going crazy, but I think it looks great. :D

 

Well done mate, and if DAT doesn't use the first one, I may steal that particular style (not the colours, god not those colours, they really aren't mine) for another chapter of mine. Or perhaps even the Blazing Sons Veterans! ;)

 

Edit: Ace, do you have any sort of talent for the use of editing programs like Gimp or Photoshop? You have a fairly good eye for the relationship between colours and shades so it could be quite a good venture for you. Gimp is free as well, by the way.

Edited October 18, 2010 by Grey Hunter Ydalir