Vioarr Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 If every Son of Sanguinius is constantly keeping the Black Rage in check, why aren't there ever any instances of librarians giving in? I mean, we have chaplains and captains and, and the like hulking out left and right, but the only instance of a Librarian is Brother Calistarius... who beat it and became the Mephiston we all know and love. So i was wondering, are there few accounts because librarians have the mental fortitude to fight off the rage because of the constant threat of daemonic possession, or is it simply that when someone with the power of a librarian looses it, there are no survivors to tell the tale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Perhaps they are so dangerous they just need to be destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWhisper Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 I noticed the other day a flaw in the fluff, (on adjacent pages no-less): ...for they must keep watch over their fellows, so that should one fall to the whispered madness of Chaos or the Black Rage he can be slain, swiftly and mercifully... ...the curse of Sanguinius stole upon him. Inducted into the Death Company... So why Calistarius wasn't executed as seems his fellow Librarian sufferers were, only Matt Ward knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 So why Calistarius wasn't executed as seems his fellow Librarian sufferers were, only Matt Ward knows... In older fluff he wasn't a Librarian until he "resurrected" as Mephiston. All the more he can't be secretly Khorne :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Are you sure - pretty sure he was always a librarian in C:AoD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Really? I recall differently somehow. But then again back in 2nd edition I was an Ultramarine player, I only "converted" to Blood Angels when the 3rd ed codex came out (hence why my color scheme is blue/red ;)) so theres a chance I might have been mistaken haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Salvatore Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 I noticed the other day a flaw in the fluff, (on adjacent pages no-less): ...for they must keep watch over their fellows, so that should one fall to the whispered madness of Chaos or the Black Rage he can be slain, swiftly and mercifully... ...the curse of Sanguinius stole upon him. Inducted into the Death Company... So why Calistarius wasn't executed as seems his fellow Librarian sufferers were, only Matt Ward knows... It was because when he succumbed to the Flaw, he was under a heap of rubble and considered MIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigon Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Yeah Mephiston was stuck under some rubble for quite some time, where he battled the black rage and red thirst all day, and I believe it was a week or two before they found him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 ok gents rember space hulk? that was mephy... Anyway... i thought he was in the dc when the wall fell on him and went into his later stages, regardlessof weither he was or wasnt in the dc before the wall fell on him he was forced to go through it all and come out the other side and was reborn. he then un armed killed a load of orks. then walked on his own all the way back to imperial lines... ...hmmm, dc furiso libarian... stick on venerable and you got pain!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Yeah I though He did fall before the building did and everyone decided "lets see what happens If we don't grant him the Emperors Mercy" and then thought he died when a building fell on him. Man he must have drunk loads of Jack Daniels because that stuff makes you 10foot tall and bullet proof and in his case Building proof*And in my case Van Proof* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Wow you guys dont know your background. 1) Mephiston was a Librarian. It's not like one day you wake up to discover you can kill a man purely hating his name. 2) Mephiston was buried under rubble for close to a week fighting against the mad grip of Black Rage then cured himself by way of purely thought. Reborn he freed himself and was reborn. 3) The new Space Hulk tells us that members of the 1st Company can also cure themselves of the Black Rage by way of thought. 4) Blood Angels are highly resistant to Chaos as our primarch was killed by Horus which is imprinted in our geneseed. A few Blood Angels have succumbed but it's extremely rare and only mentioned in a graphic novel about a small band of Blood Angels sent out on a penitent crusade to recover an artefact lost by a Captain. 0b :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobus Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I have always figured that there are Libby DC, but once the Black Rage hits they wouldn't have the discipline to use the stuff they know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWhisper Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I have always figured that there are Libby DC, but once the Black Rage hits they wouldn't have the discipline to use the stuff they know. That actually makes more sense than the bit in the codex about them being executed. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knyx Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Yeah Mephiston was stuck under some rubble for quite some time, where he battled the black rage and red thirst all day, and I believe it was a week or two before they found him. Well, actually he found them. After he overcame the black rage (took like a week) under that 40k building (So crazy-mega-skyscraper) he shoved it off himself. By that time all the Orks that had destroyed it in the first place were all over the place, and the whole warband attacked because they heard all the noise he made. Unfortunately for them he was already the ape-**** Mephiston though, so he killed some and ripped the still-beating heart out of the biggest one with his bare hands. He totally walked back to Imperial lines, too. It never said if he walked by, or through the Waaagh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Salvatore Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Yeah Mephiston was stuck under some rubble for quite some time, where he battled the black rage and red thirst all day, and I believe it was a week or two before they found him. Well, actually he found them. After he overcame the black rage (took like a week) under that 40k building (So crazy-mega-skyscraper) he shoved it off himself. By that time all the Orks that had destroyed it in the first place were all over the place, and the whole warband attacked because they heard all the noise he made. Unfortunately for them he was already the ape-**** Mephiston though, so he killed some and ripped the still-beating heart out of the biggest one with his bare hands. He totally walked back to Imperial lines, too. It never said if he walked by, or through the Waaagh though. Thanks for detailization of my words. So, as you can see, everyone who wanted to behead him for succumbing had little chance to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 3) The new Space Hulk tells us that members of the 1st Company can also cure themselves of the Black Rage by way of thought. Say whut??? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 3) The new Space Hulk tells us that members of the 1st Company can also cure themselves of the Black Rage by way of thought. Say whut??? Did I miss something? we agree on something. last time i checked mephiston was the only BA to ever completely 100% over come the 'rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWhisper Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 So, as you can see, everyone who wanted to behead him for succumbing had little chance to do so. I think the pertinent question is how did he end up in the death company in the first place, instead of being "slain, swiftly and mercifully" at the first sign of the black rage? Surely the Chaplains/Librarians of the Chapter would have had ample opportunity to do so before be had managed to get all his armour painted in black with red crosses B) The problem lies in the inconsistent fluff in the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Salvatore Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 So, as you can see, everyone who wanted to behead him for succumbing had little chance to do so. I think the pertinent question is how did he end up in the death company in the first place, instead of being "slain, swiftly and mercifully" at the first sign of the black rage? Surely the Chaplains/Librarians of the Chapter would have had ample opportunity to do so before be had managed to get all his armour painted in black with red crosses :P The problem lies in the inconsistent fluff in the codex. He went to the battle as normal brother. In the battle, he got caught in the explosion wich triggered his Black rage and also piled the rubble on him. He never was in the death co. as far as my knowledge go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWhisper Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I think the pertinent question is how did he end up in the death company in the first place, instead of being "slain, swiftly and mercifully" at the first sign of the black rage? Surely the Chaplains/Librarians of the Chapter would have had ample opportunity to do so before be had managed to get all his armour painted in black with red crosses ;) The problem lies in the inconsistent fluff in the codex. He went to the battle as normal brother. In the battle, he got caught in the explosion wich triggered his Black rage and also piled the rubble on him. He never was in the death co. as far as my knowledge go. I'm afraid Pg 47 of the current BA Codex and Pg 21 of the 3rd Ed Codex disagree with you. Sorry. ;) (I don't know about the Angels Of death version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Salvatore Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I think the pertinent question is how did he end up in the death company in the first place, instead of being "slain, swiftly and mercifully" at the first sign of the black rage? Surely the Chaplains/Librarians of the Chapter would have had ample opportunity to do so before be had managed to get all his armour painted in black with red crosses :P The problem lies in the inconsistent fluff in the codex. He went to the battle as normal brother. In the battle, he got caught in the explosion wich triggered his Black rage and also piled the rubble on him. He never was in the death co. as far as my knowledge go. I'm afraid Pg 47 of the current BA Codex and Pg 21 of the 3rd Ed Codex disagree with you. Sorry. :) (I don't know about the Angels Of death version). That is very much possible, that is why I gave there the "to my knowledge"...I do not know too much about the 5th ED fluff because it well... Matt Ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 C:AoD had him inducted into the DC as well... (Edit - though back then there were degrees of falling to the Rage... Its possible they knew it was coming soon, but not fully upon him and he requested to be inducted to go out with honour) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Salvatore Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 C:AoD had him inducted into the DC as well... (Edit - though back then there were degrees of falling to the Rage... Its possible they knew it was coming soon, but not fully upon him and he requested to be inducted to go out with honour) Really? -Hurries away to whip himself and reread the fluff sections of all codicies out of shame...- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 I think that in 2nd Edition everybody who succumbed to the rage was inducted into the Death Company, if they failed to find peace in battle they'd be kept in a tower of the damned tended by the Chaplains and Sanguinary Priests as they descended deeper into madness. Now they get put down like mad dogs. An ignoble end for one of sons of Sanguinius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiros14 Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 I think that in 2nd Edition everybody who succumbed to the rage was inducted into the Death Company, if they failed to find peace in battle they'd be kept in a tower of the damned tended by the Chaplains and Sanguinary Priests as they descended deeper into madness. Now they get put down like mad dogs. An ignoble end for one of sons of Sanguinius. well, thats what I read in the *shudder* PDF anyway, and i Thought Methy was locked in there before The Matt Ward "Ultramarines in Red" codex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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