Mortanix Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 -Post deleted- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 No successor chapter to the Blood Angels fell to chaos as far as I know. The Lamenters chose the wrong side and fought alongside of the Astral Claws, but are now re-accepted as a loyal chapter. The Knights of Blood were called excommunicate Hereticus, but still "act" like a loyal chapter and have not turned to chaos. On the other hand, very little is known about them, so there´s still the possibility that a battle-company would turn after being hunted by the =][=. But keep in mind that every Marine with Sanguinius´ gene seed absolutely despises Chaos in its every form, as Horus killed Sanguinius in the Great Crusade - some will argue that a complete battle company turning to chaos is extremely unlikely for Blood Angels. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws of Corax Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Individually some marines may have fallen to chaos, for one reason or another. If it helps there is one famous fallen blood angel.. "The Red Angel" As far as I know he is possessed by a daemon... I dont know how, but its suggested that it was during the Horus Heresy. I've posted a link to a pic of him. (Notice Ahriman is there...) http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Pl...rm/DSCF0863.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 All marines baring the grey knights can fall to chaos, even the great and noble sons of sanguinis, therefore its entirely likely that out there soemwhere ther exists a band of raving chaos lunatic angels....however there are no officialy recognized chaos BA chapter that I am aware of...unofficially there is of course atleast my own "morbid angels" army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfel Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Individually some marines may have fallen to chaos, for one reason or another. If it helps there is one famous fallen blood angel.. "The Red Angel" As far as I know he is possessed by a daemon... I dont know how, but its suggested that it was during the Horus Heresy. I've posted a link to a pic of him. (Notice Ahriman is there...) http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Pl...rm/DSCF0863.jpg I always thought that this picture depicted a blood angel which is being sacrificed to the chaos gods, rather than turning to chaos. As for fallen angels from BA, as far as I know there are very few. Blood Angels despise chaos through their very gene seed, hence there are only minor occurences on this regard. One example I know is one of the scouts in the Bloodquest graphic novel, he gives himself willingly to Slaanesh. In the same novel Leonatos is possessed by a chaos daemon but he does not give himself willingly to chaos and tries to resist the foul creature any time he can. As for a whole company turning to chaos I never read such an incident and the fluff dictates that it is very unlikely, however it's your fiction to write and mold as you see fit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 only in james swallow stories, but luckily those aren't fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 only in james swallow stories, but luckily those aren't fluff. Ditto. Blood Angels don't fall, unless it's in battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 only in james swallow stories, but luckily those aren't fluff. Ditto. Blood Angels don't fall, unless it's in battle. Arrogance that is one of the greatest dangers when dealing with Chaos... beings far more powerful than any blood angel alive (not counting Sanginor whatever it is) have fallen to chaos also the grey knights codex suggests that someone may have fallen from every chapter... except themselves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 only in james swallow stories, but luckily those aren't fluff. Ditto. Blood Angels don't fall, unless it's in battle. or unless they trip. :devil: only in james swallow stories, but luckily those aren't fluff. Ditto. Blood Angels don't fall, unless it's in battle. Arrogance that is one of the greatest dangers when dealing with Chaos... beings far more powerful than any blood angel alive (not counting Sanginor whatever it is) have fallen to chaos also the grey knights codex suggests that someone may have fallen from every chapter... except themselves... we're not saying 1 or 2 every few hundred years don't fall, but never a sizable number. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekk_Sirius Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I always liked the idea of a Blood Angels' successor Chapter that has fallen to Nurgle. I mean you always hear suggestions for Slaanesh (pursuit of perfection, art) or Khorne (Blood drinking, Black Rage) but there was one line in the 2nd edition Codex: Angels of Death that struck me; "There is a mystical vein to many of the Blood Angels’ doctrines and also a strong belief that things can be changed for the better, for Sanguinius was a visionary who desired a new and better life for all Mankind. This belief can be seen in all things the Blood Angels do. They strive for perfection, and their martial disciplines are practised unceasingly. However, as the Flaw has become more evident, this belief has turned into an altogether darker thing. They also see evidence of Mankind’s capacity for folly and destruction, and the Chapter’s doctrines are permeated with a sense of mortality and the fallen greatness of Man." I mean if that doesn't gurgle "Nurgle" i don't know what does. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aramis_the_Red Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Thanks for the replies chaps, I guess it was mainly down to me trying to do all my armies or at least those with a tie to humanity as a chaos version, (don't think i'll be doing chaos tau or orks anytime soon). I suppose if it comes down to it I do quite like the flesh tearers with their ticking time-bomb geneseed. Or perhaps the flesh eaters (just waiting for one of those jaws to open and reveal a globe). Also never noticed till now that the knights of blood exists in both the chaos codex and the loyalist one with a different scheme, though whether thats intentional or a GW duplication of a paint scheme or name i'm not sure. Well it's something to think about at least, though lord knows when i'll get round to buying the models for yet another project. Come on man, that would be awesome! Take a bunch of Orks and paint 'em red instead of green, through some Khorne icons on them w'th a few 8 pointed stars here and there, maybe convert up some storm boyz with wings instead of rockets. Call them the Khorks! WAAAAAUGH FER DA BLOOD GOD!!! Actually, you know what, I've been looking for a reason to buy some AoBR sets. DONE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2517954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 This thread is tainted. 0b :mellow: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramis_the_Red Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 This thread is tainted. 0b Yeah... tainted by Chaos Orky AWESOMENESS!!! :mellow: -A Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I always liked the idea of a Blood Angels' successor Chapter that has fallen to Nurgle. I mean you always hear suggestions for Slaanesh (pursuit of perfection, art) or Khorne (Blood drinking, Black Rage) but there was one line in the 2nd edition Codex: Angels of Death that struck me; "There is a mystical vein to many of the Blood Angels’ doctrines and also a strong belief that things can be changed for the better, for Sanguinius was a visionary who desired a new and better life for all Mankind. This belief can be seen in all things the Blood Angels do. They strive for perfection, and their martial disciplines are practised unceasingly. However, as the Flaw has become more evident, this belief has turned into an altogether darker thing. They also see evidence of Mankind’s capacity for folly and destruction, and the Chapter’s doctrines are permeated with a sense of mortality and the fallen greatness of Man." I mean if that doesn't gurgle "Nurgle" i don't know what does. :lol: Do your self a favour mate and search for my thread "morbid angel blog" its what your looking for.....speaking of which I need to update that now I have my comp back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodancient Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 If a BA can fall to chaos then a Grey Knight can fall to Chaos actually it would make more sense. they are all psykers right(gateway to the warp). They are still made from mortal men lake any other astartes. Also they are constantly in the presence of the Dark powers of the warp while in battle. I think it would be completlely plausible for a Grey Knight to fall even acouple of squads at once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Blood Angels despise chaos through their very gene seed I don't believe thats true. Sanguinius himself was a creature of chaos ~ a winged mutant with psychic powers. I'm not aware of any evidence for him suffering from self-loathing. Sanguinius death-rage against his brother and friend was because of his fratricide and treason not because of his turn to chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 If a BA can fall to chaos then a Grey Knight can fall to Chaos actually it would make more sense. they are all psykers right(gateway to the warp). They are still made from mortal men lake any other astartes. Also they are constantly in the presence of the Dark powers of the warp while in battle. I think it would be completlely plausible for a Grey Knight to fall even acouple of squads at once. Not really, their training methods make them the ultimate Mary Sues of warhammer 40,000, they are pure of heart, will, have superiour training, superiour looks, respected by everyone including the Black Templar. But in all seriousness, the Grey Knight is probably several times superiour in mental defenses, such so that they most probably die before they are corrupted. Their pressence in the battlefield weakens demons's grip on the mortal plane if my mind recalls correctly. That is some purity that few other marines can ever hope to match up to. Though I don't doubt that Null being made into marine form would be even more deadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I can easily see a Grey Knight falling over to Chaos before a Blood Angel. And to say that our primarch was Chaos... Is just stupid. Sorry had to say that. 0b ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Not really, their training methods make them the ultimate Mary Sues of warhammer 40,000, they are pure of heart, will, have superiour training, superiour looks, respected by everyone including the Black Templar. I've always assumed the training would involve constant tests of faith, with any recruit showing even the slightest susceptibility to chaos influence being killed long before they reached the position of full marine, unlike like the Blood Angels whose fraternity universally spend their lives trying to resist a physiological desire to rip peoples throats out and relish the sweet crimson nectar within (an act pleasing to both Slaanesh & Khorne, whilst both Nurgle and Tzeentch could provide respite from the inevitable fate that all sane sons of Sanguinius fear). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 All Space Marines have an innate desire to kill. It's natural for them. If you have read the new background released in Space Hulk you'd find that members of the 1st Company and other high ranking officers can control both the Black Rage and Red Thirst. It's not always the case though as Lemartes was completely retconned into literally a mad beast. Anyways I think that in general Blood Angels have refined their killer instinct to it's highest form. While a member of the Death Company has succumbed and lost their grip on sanity this is something that only happens to a small percentage of our chapter. To me it is both a blessing and a curse. There is no better way to die as a Space Marine than literally at the throat of the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I seem to remember in one of the Short storie books a story about Huron have one or 2 Flesh tearers in his group cant remember which one tho it has been a while but I am pretty sure I did read this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 No successor chapter to the Blood Angels fell to chaos as far as I know. The Lamenters chose the wrong side and fought alongside of the Astral Claws, but are now re-accepted as a loyal chapter. The Knights of Blood were called excommunicate Hereticus, but still "act" like a loyal chapter and have not turned to chaos.On the other hand, very little is known about them, so there´s still the possibility that a battle-company would turn after being hunted by the =][=. But keep in mind that every Marine with Sanguinius´ gene seed absolutely despises Chaos in its every form, as Horus killed Sanguinius in the Great Crusade - some will argue that a complete battle company turning to chaos is extremely unlikely for Blood Angels. Snorri A complete battle company of any chapter is frankly unlikely. Chaos doesnt mince- youll get a few brothers here or there thatve vallen, or an entire chapter- but anything larger than a squad and you can gaurantee one or two, if not more had to have their throats cut for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211621-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2518308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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