how would the chapter react to a brother slaying DC members?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

say the crazies in the DC go super crazy after the battle and started attacking allies or even civilians, and a librarian killed them to preserve the chapters relations and honor, how do you think that news would be received by the rest of the chapter? (this goes for blood angels and successors in general)

[Aramis_the_Red]

I think they would see it as he was doing his duty. How many are we talking tho, because I'm pretty sure a librarian wouldn't be able to take more than 2 or 3 DC by himself(especially if they get the charge... Okay, meph could, but that's meph).

[spiros14]

Also, chances are the New Sepheroth-like High chaplain we have now will probably get there first

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

i was thinking like 4, but this is right after battle, astorath doesn't even have time to be told any DC survived when their rampage starts.

[Hiro_Protagonist]

I think they would see it as being necessary. Technically the DC are probably considered dead already by their fellows.

 

I think there's a Flesh Tearers' story about that exact thing happening. I didn't actually read it, buddy of mine related the gist of the story.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

ok.

[WarpWalker]

Just to be clear...the black rage wouldn't cause this. All death company are affected by the black rage. Visions and out of body experiences of Sanguinius's last moments overtake them. The red thirst is a blood lust that drives them to kill anything in their path. It can take so time before black rage to turn into red thirst. This is why the chaplains must put down the DC and not freeze them for the next battle.

 

Hope this helps.

 

J

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

say the crazies in the DC go super crazy after the battle and started attacking allies or even civilians, and a librarian killed them to preserve the chapters relations and honor, how do you think that news would be received by the rest of the chapter? (this goes for blood angels and successors in general)

 

This would never happen. Are you bored at work or something ?

 

:mellow:

 

0b

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Just to be clear...the black rage wouldn't cause this. All death company are affected by the black rage. Visions and out of body experiences of Sanguinius's last moments overtake them. The red thirst is a blood lust that drives them to kill anything in their path. It can take so time before black rage to turn into red thirst. This is why the chaplains must put down the DC and not freeze them for the next battle.

 

Hope this helps.

 

J

but if they're seeing horus every where they look they could still attack allies or civilians.

 

say the crazies in the DC go super crazy after the battle and started attacking allies or even civilians, and a librarian killed them to preserve the chapters relations and honor, how do you think that news would be received by the rest of the chapter? (this goes for blood angels and successors in general)

 

This would never happen. Are you bored at work or something ?

 

:mellow:

 

0b

why not? they're seeing visions of horus and his minions believing they're sanguinius why wouldn't they visualize allies or civilians as traitors? the visions don't have IFF.

[WarpWalker]

The DC are not that lucid that they couldn't identify friend or foe.

It would be the red thirst that they wouldn't care. Normally the chapter's

Chaplains or Astorath wouldn't let it get that far.

 

Are you writing a story?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

The DC are not that lucid that they couldn't identify friend or foe.

It would be the red thirst that they wouldn't care. Normally the chapter's

Chaplains or Astorath wouldn't let it get that far.

 

Are you writing a story?

again, battle just ended, astorath is only one man and not there, chaplain is on the other side of the battle zone, DC members just keep going with the fighting.

[Leonaides]

But they must be able to distingiush friend from foe on some level (as they arent killing each other). Which is a big problem for your idea/storey/theory/whatever...

 

But back to the particular question of waht the rest of the chapter woudl think of a Librarian who ahd to kill some DC - you already said it. He had to kill them. Regrettable, unfortunate, but it happens. When you get down to it, wahts the difference between that and a Captain ordering a suad to form a rearguard to allow the rest of his force to extract from a hot LZ? Knowing that he's ordering those marines to their deaths... These guys expect to die at some point on some battlefield.

[WarpWalker]

again, battle just ended, astorath is only one man and not there, chaplain is on the other side of the battle zone, DC members just keep going with the fighting.

 

OK.

 

This would never happen...99% of the time. But for it to be believable you'll have to give reasons as to why they lived long enough to go "full crazy".

Just shooting from the hip...

 

An earthquake swallowed the four DC up after a long orbital bombardment. For days as the battle raged and their other DC brothers

died. They slipped further and further into the rage. They escaped their tomb after the battle and now succumbed to the red thirst they began

slaughtering allies combing the field for their dead.

 

Would it be OK for a Librarain to put them out of their misery? YES. Could one Librarian take on four DC. YES.

 

Did this help?

 

J

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

again, battle just ended, astorath is only one man and not there, chaplain is on the other side of the battle zone, DC members just keep going with the fighting.

 

OK.

 

This would never happen...99% of the time. But for it to be believable you'll have to give reasons as to why they lived long enough to go "full crazy".

Just shooting from the hip...

 

An earthquake swallowed the four DC up after a long orbital bombardment. For days as the battle raged and their other DC brothers

died. They slipped further and further into the rage. They escaped their tomb after the battle and now succumbed to the red thirst they began

slaughtering allies combing the field for their dead.

 

Would it be OK for a Librarain to put them out of their misery? YES. Could one Librarian take on four DC. YES.

 

Did this help?

 

J

i've never seen seen anything that states how long it takes to fully fall to the black rage, or the red thirst, if you have i'd love the book and page reference.

[Leardinal]

again, battle just ended, astorath is only one man and not there, chaplain is on the other side of the battle zone, DC members just keep going with the fighting.

 

OK.

 

This would never happen...99% of the time. But for it to be believable you'll have to give reasons as to why they lived long enough to go "full crazy".

Just shooting from the hip...

 

An earthquake swallowed the four DC up after a long orbital bombardment. For days as the battle raged and their other DC brothers

died. They slipped further and further into the rage. They escaped their tomb after the battle and now succumbed to the red thirst they began

slaughtering allies combing the field for their dead.

 

Would it be OK for a Librarain to put them out of their misery? YES. Could one Librarian take on four DC. YES.

 

Did this help?

 

J

i've never seen seen anything that states how long it takes to fully fall to the black rage, or the red thirst, if you have i'd love the book and page reference.

 

There is no set time, and that's the whole point. It is a random gene mutation that has varies strengths and as such can sometimes be controlled and sometimes can't. This is the whole point of the DC: since no one knows how long a Battle Brother has before they become a crazed, sub-human thing that doesn't care if you are friend or foe, they are put into the DC at the first sign of the Black Thirst for one final battle so this very thing does not occur.

 

Warp Walker was trying to give you a viable example of your extreme question based on the fluff around Mepheston, (did I spell that right?)

 

Note: I only know what I read from the new codex, and I often mix up "red thirst" and "black rage," but I am sure a Veteran can correct/expand/know what the general idea that I was trying to get across.

[WarpWalker]

You caught me by surprise on that one. I read a story in an old Inferno novel. Some of you may remember the "obvious tactics" story featuring the

blood angels fighting daemons and such. It ran for awhile like a comic strip. Back in the late 90s I recall. They locked the brother up in a cell a waiting death. When he succumb after a few days he turned on the Chaplain and an Inquisitor. I think this is as close to the story I can remember. Other than

that I'm sorry.

 

Also most battles don't wage for weeks. It a few days at most. The campaigns/wars can go on for years. The DC are chosen on the eve of battle and

are usually dead by the end.

 

J

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I can't think of any documented instance where a member of the DC killed any allies or innocent civilians. I have every copy of the old Inferno magazine and that story is just not ringing any bells for me.

 

0b ^_^

[SamaNagol]

Read the Flesh Tearers short story by ADB.

 

You will be clear on everything you need to know. The DC are UTTERLY delusional and have zero grasp on reality.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I remember that story and it turned out it wasn't the Death Company killing civilians... It was in fact an elaborate charade revealed at the end.

 

0b :)

[SamaNagol]

While in that instance they didn't kill civilians, my point was that he did indeed have to fight, and kill his own battle-brother.

[WarpWalker]

Read the Flesh Tearers short story by ADB.

 

I've read this one too but OB :) ed me. No offense SamaNagol but you are talking about the Flesh Tearers. They've been known to kill anything in their path to the enemy. But I can't recall anything after the battle occurring.

 

I can't think of any documented instance where a member of the DC killed any allies or innocent civilians. I have every copy of the old Inferno magazine and that story is just not ringing any bells for me.

 

Thanks anyway. I can't even recall all the material I read in those days. I was just getting into the game and so excited that I read everything I could. But I'll never forget how I felt back then about the Blood Angels after reading that graphic novel... blood thirsty monsters. Could there have been other graphic novels? I know there were but what?

 

Sorry if this is leading the topic of course. I've already answered the main question already.

 

J

[Solidus Veneris]

Pretty much the entire story by ADB is after a battle and the marine that had sucumb to the black rage not only killed a band of orcs but an entire settlement of civilians. Also the story makes many reverances to the battle of Gaius Point where the fleshtearers drove the orcs between themselves and battlements set up by tbe IG and SoB and that once the orks were delt with the fleshtearers scaled the battlements and slaughtered their allies. Now granted this was FT not BA.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

No FT are not BA.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

note, i did also say successor chapters in the original post (as i do play my own successor)

 

but my point is, i've never heard that it took weeks or even days to fully fall to the rage and subsequently to the thirst.

[Mudpuppet]

but my point is, i've never heard that it took weeks or even days to fully fall to the rage and subsequently to the thirst.

 

Hmm, i was of the understanding that the black rage and red thirst were totally unrelated, here you seem to think red thirst comes after black rage, i dont think it does.

 

Black rage is psychic imprint of Sanguinus' death and makes the BA stronger and faster etc but also slightly nuts, not sure if it causes rapid loss of ally recognition.

 

Red thirst is general blood lust if the marine loses himself to his desire to battle etc, and has been known to blind said marine to foe/ally destinctions until he has calmed down. A la flesh tearers example. It is what i understand to be "The Flaw".

 

I think your getting confused between the two and thinking one comes after the other. Im sure red thirst can come after black rage, however it doesnt always.

 

Mudpuppet