Damn!

[Grimtooth]

I love being a Space Wolf player!

 

Like seriously, none of the other chapters can hold a candle to the Wolves of Russ when it comes to drawing my attention and enjoying the gameplay.

 

The only one that even came close was the Blood Angels and the only way I would have played them would have been in Bizzaro World where Space Wolves didn't exist.

 

Seriously, everything needs to be retconned so that the all chapters just fall into line, drink up some Canis Helix, and just go the way of the Wolf;

 

Ultrawolves

Blood Wolves

Black Wolves

Dark Wolves

Wolf Scars

Wolfalanders

Crimson Wolves

Wolf Hands

Etc

Etc

Etc

 

For the Wolftime!!

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Sorry :wacko:

 

Black Wolves would break the game, on the TT and fluffwise.

 

Black is far better than grey. By half the spectrum I'd say.

Grey is just light black, after all.

Let's not mention that baby-blue/grey shall we ;)

 

You'd end up with Templars who can shoot or as I prefer to think of it, Space Wolves who are actually good in mêlée.

 

Witches are fun, and I do miss them. But don't worry, I get re-rolls to hit.

 

I would like Fangs and Whirlwinds, though.

 

3 sets of grunts would be hilarious. FenWolves. Neos and BCs. I could actually see BCs as a Knights Errant step between Squires [Neos] and Knights of the Realm [initiates]. FenWolves could be Mastiffs, though Wolves are cool too.

 

So I say nay. BT are already 95% perfect. Taking the few good things SW have would put us beyond 100% ^_^

[Grey Mage]

Psh. Ive yet to be beaten in CC by a Templar as a SW player. Your Mathammer hasnt helped you their willhelm, nor has it let you recover the stolen plans or conjured up the rebels. Just another form or Witchery.

 

But I do believe, the reason that most SM players seem rather RAWR about C:SW is that they wish they could get 'stuck in' like the SWs can. Its just how marines are supposed to operate, and when their tacticals dont rip through things they get confused. Theres nothing wrong with C:SM, it just doesnt play the way they think it should.

 

BTs on the other hand can get stuck in- so they just complain about the shooting aspects. Of course, they actually have to survive to get to CC in order go use any of those abilities, and they seem handicapped in that department too. :wacko:

[The Normish]

What? No Imperial Wolves?

For Dorn!

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Psh. Ive yet to be beaten in CC by a Templar as a SW player. Your Mathammer hasnt helped you their willhelm, nor has it let you recover the stolen plans or conjured up the rebels. Just another form or Witchery.

:wacko: ^_^ ;)

I glad you have likened me to Luke Skywalker and yourself to Darth Emperor.

In the end, unequivocally, I win and you lose.

About when C:BT comes out I'd say ;)

 

But I do believe, the reason that most SM players seem rather RAWR about C:SW is that they wish they could get 'stuck in' like the SWs can. Its just how marines are supposed to operate, and when their tacticals dont rip through things they get confused. Theres nothing wrong with C:SM, it just doesnt play the way they think it should.

Tacs on TT ≠ Marines in fluff.

They are actually very Tau like in how they play, especially with Chapter Tactics yella-belly.

I agree they are a good list. Just a bit scurvy is all :pirate:

 

BTs on the other hand can get stuck in- so they just complain about the shooting aspects. Of course, they actually have to survive to get to CC in order go use any of those abilities, and they seem handicapped in that department too. :P

 

Handicapped?! ROFL ROFL LOL LOL.

The only things that stops GH being used as pig food :lol: is a generous serving of special weapons and Wolf Standard. Plus they kill off dudes before they get there. Smart and effective, yes, but hardly "good" in the up close an' personal stuff.

 

What I like about GH and SW generally is that in CoD and PS, they actually work in those environments too.

GH pouring bolter fire whilst enemies close is gold. Templars difficult terraining whilst being wittled away is terrible.

Fangs in rubble is excellent when compared to Preds. They might be quite even in a normal game [which we have discussed] but in CoD, Fangs > Preds.

Same in PS. It's a bit hard to perch a Pred on a bastion, and Crusaders need bp+cs to be effective. Hardly a good choice for defending when your enemy is not always a mêlée army.

Crusaders one HW is quite sad too, compared to 5 ML shots.

 

Actually I do wish BT had Devs, WWs and B+bp+cs. We'll have to see if my prayers get answered.

Psykers too ~ if we kill them ourselves through accidental fire we get 2 KPS and otherwise follow the Lone Wolf rules for KP.

Die Mutant!

[Grey Mage]

Psh. Ive yet to be beaten in CC by a Templar as a SW player. Your Mathammer hasnt helped you their willhelm, nor has it let you recover the stolen plans or conjured up the rebels. Just another form or Witchery.

:( ^_^ :)

I glad you have likened me to Luke Skywalker and yourself to Darth Emperor.

In the end, unequivocally, I win and you lose.

About when C:BT comes out I'd say :)

The force is weak with you my friend, that line was delivered TO Darth Vader, not from him.

[Zynk Kaladin]

You forgot the Wolf Wolves, from the planet Wolf who reside in the fortress monastery called The Wolf. They enjoy long Wolves on the beach, drinking Wolf, and on occasion in the Wolf Halls will wolf down their Wolf and toast to the Great Wolf.

 

Oh, and they're from SPACE!

[Marshal Wilhelm]

The force is weak with you my friend, that line was delivered TO Darth Vader, not from him.

 

Hahah! *stalling for time*

I hadn't forgotten that *after you'd reminded me*

 

So you are not even proclaiming yourself to be the head honchos of the baddies, but just a lackey!

I reject your likening of me as Darth vader, well, the evil bits anyway.

I'll keep the best sword master and subsequent awesome Black Armour bits though.

and I'll keep your admission of being subordinate to moi. I like that bit.

 

*walks off, with generous cape flowing*

 

*speaking to squire* ermm, we might have to cut back my Glove time, I only just turned defeat into victory that time. I am always a bit addled after I come out of it, no need to play it so risky eh?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

So in effect,you are saying you are actually a shrivelled,pasty white stump with some robot bits grafted on.

 

Yeah sounds about right *grins*

 

But seriously...while the Black Templars have some good things about them..And they are able to annihilate any other army but Space wolves in hand to hand combat,they dont ever manage to really hold up against us. Maybe with 5th edition they will stand a better chance...But i doubt it.

[Grey Mage]

So in effect,you are saying you are actually a shrivelled,pasty white stump with some robot bits grafted on.

 

Yeah sounds about right *grins*

 

But seriously...while the Black Templars have some good things about them..And they are able to annihilate any other army but Space wolves in hand to hand combat,they dont ever manage to really hold up against us. Maybe with 5th edition they will stand a better chance...But i doubt it.

Lets also not forget, fallen to chaos.

 

And a witch.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

So in effect,you are saying you are actually a shrivelled,pasty white stump with some robot bits grafted on.

 

Yeah sounds about right *grins*

 

But seriously...while the Black Templars have some good things about them..And they are able to annihilate any other army but Space wolves in hand to hand combat,they dont ever manage to really hold up against us. Maybe with 5th edition they will stand a better chance...But i doubt it.

 

I did say I only accepted the good bits! :P

 

+++

 

The problem Templars have are a few things.

Whilst they bash up Orks by being excellent against nonMEq infantry [they have a high kill-quantity but not kill-quality] against that other horde mêlée army, Tyranids, they suffer because Nids have many high I things and mean MCs.

Wolves just switch to bolter mode.

 

They also don't bring enough SCCW or even SW. As you guys would know, its those guys who do a big amount of killing. Against non-MEq bp+cs is fine, but against MEq, the killing drops muchly.

 

In addition to that, SW can bring more HW per point in Fangs than Templars can in Preds.

And your Razors are better.

Though I am happy paying 8 pts more than you for a Smoke+Extra armour Rhino. 4th ed smoke really is that good.

 

All the killiness against MEq comes from our Assault Terms with LRC. That is a huge investment. Target that and BT become stuck in that regard. Wolves have that killiness woven through the list so its harder to isolate.

I don't think other Marine players realise they are the most killy heavy cav unit in the game, but I don't mind their naivety ;)

 

Having to chaarge! gets a bit monotonous too. So I have been trialing MM bunkers in the midfield and Las in the backfield. I think that is a weakness for SW.

 

In 1500 pt games [which is what I play], I don't believe SW players actually have enough points to play with so they can use all of that potential killiness to bear. SW shouldn't be misère over BT at that points value.

Perhaps you play at higher points or *you* are better than him.

 

Preferred enemy is dynamic, even though it is not spectacular. People don't realise how good it is and get caught up in BA furious charge or SW MotW or 12" assaults. I know what I'd rather have.

Dreads that actually hit in combat.

5 Assault Terms [with FC, admittedly] killing some 13 MEq on the charge.

10 Initiates doing 11.25 wounds on the charge [compared to GH doing 7.5]

And in addition to Crusaders taking heads in combat, they can camp on Objectives and unleash HW fire B)

 

Imo, SW are not the best at anything besides Cav/Beasts. What they do well is being pretty good at everything and switching to whatever the enemy is weak at.

SM cannot really assault Tau outside of Elites.

BT cannot really gun down Nids.

SW can do both and when BT do come for them, they shoot, shoot, shoot and then pop Wolf Standard and so are nearly as effective as Templars for one Assault phase anyway. Very annoying.

 

I would be interested to see you guys play a few games with BT and then see what you reckon about them.

I am sure that B&Cites have a bonus over those who don't, and I think YTTH and 3++ also buffs players. Perhaps SW are successful because of you guys as much as the Dex?

[Bloodmange]

Psh. Ive yet to be beaten in CC by a Templar as a SW player. Your Mathammer hasnt helped you their willhelm, nor has it let you recover the stolen plans or conjured up the rebels. Just another form or Witchery.

:P B) ;)

I glad you have likened me to Luke Skywalker and yourself to Darth Emperor.

In the end, unequivocally, I win and you lose.

About when C:BT comes out I'd say ;)

The force is weak with you my friend, that line was delivered TO Darth Vader, not from him.

 

Yeah... and lets not forget who was the one who ACTUALLY threw the Emperor into that convenient chasm, who was it again? Oh Yeah, It was DARTH VADER!!!!!

......BAZINGA.......

Need I say more.

[chino]

Beards and ale > bald and screaming.

 

AMIRITE?

 

But BTs do have those fancy smoke launchers. Oh how fancy they are.

[Grey Mage]

Indeed.

 

Still, I think its beaten, hands down, by having assault ramps on our landraiders <_<.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

True..We arent the best at everything..But whatever you are weak against..we can do pretty well. What you are good at..we are pretty good at it too.

 

So no army really has an advantage over us,and we can do pretty well doing whatever you are weak against.

 

And I have played using Black Templars. They are great in hand to hand..But Wolves do it almost as well.But their weaknesses are very glaring..Wolves don't have many weaknesses,other then a tempation to use too many toys.

[chino]

Overall though, I'd rather play Black Templars than Ultramarines. I mean who's ever heard of BLUE Space Marines!

 

 

 

Oh... yeah...

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Indeed.

 

Still, I think its beaten, hands down, by having assault ramps on our landraiders ;).

 

We have them too smarty pants <_<

[Grey Mage]

Indeed.

 

Still, I think its beaten, hands down, by having assault ramps on our landraiders ;).

 

We have them too smarty pants <_<

No... you have an assault ramp- wich doesnt have rules anymore ;). The current, 5th edition, rules set only recognizes assault vehicles, and even that isnt a USR.

 

Again, what did I tell you about the benefits of an education? ;)

[Marshal Wilhelm]

No... you have an assault ramp- wich doesnt have rules anymore ;). The current, 5th edition, rules set only recognizes assault vehicles, and even that isnt a USR.

Again, what did I tell you about the benefits of an education? :P

 

Well, ze Germans saved us with their FAQ, so nyah nyah nyah nyah :D

Erziehen dass, Mann Hexe!

[evilbeetles]

Wolfalanders lol

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Zo goot, unfortunately, non-English publications, much like additions in crayon, don't count unless all your opponents also read that language/the game is in that country :P

 

Noch zwei bier bitte!

[Khavos]

You forgot the Wolf Wolves, from the planet Wolf who reside in the fortress monastery called The Wolf. They enjoy long Wolves on the beach, drinking Wolf, and on occasion in the Wolf Halls will wolf down their Wolf and toast to the Great Wolf.

 

Oh, and they're from SPACE!

 

How long have you been a lead writer with Games Workshop?

[Wysten]

You forgot the Wolf Wolves, from the planet Wolf who reside in the fortress monastery called The Wolf. They enjoy long Wolves on the beach, drinking Wolf, and on occasion in the Wolf Halls will wolf down their Wolf and toast to the Great Wolf.

 

Oh, and they're from SPACE!

 

How long have you been a lead writer with Games Workshop?

 

Sounds like he's worked there all his life. XD

 

Though to be fair, the artwork is brillent.

[the jeske]

Well, ze Germans saved us with their FAQ, so nyah nyah nyah nyah

english version of codex >any translation of codex. this means no matter what the german FAQ or codex says you have to use what is in the BT last printing . Same way GK couldnt get normal assault cannons [which were in the french version of the dex].

[Legatus]

So, in a wolfified universe, would the "Ultrawolves" be the big exception? The one Chapter that isn't gung-ho like everyone else and instead is all professional like and makes plans and all? B)

 

 

Edit: (In that universe, would the Space Wolves Codex be the basis for all Chapters, and the most generic list, while the Ultrawolves get a very powerful Codex just for themselves in every Edition?)