Flesh tearers Honour Guard

[Sir Blayse]

I'm planning on adding a Honour Guard to my Flesh tearers to accompany Seth. I'm just wondering about how they should look. Should they be painted gold like a regular HG for BA or should I go with something different. I was thinking of doing the black shoulder pads with the rest in gold. Any ideas or help with this, thanks in advance.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

well the FT do despise of the BA extra flashiness, so i'd say gold is not the way to go, but if you use gold do only the helmet like the old BA honor guard from 3rd ed and before.

 

or maybe try something as simple as a gold chest eagle.

[Whitefireinferno]

I would NEVER paint one of my Flesh Tearers helmets gold Mine got the usual Black Helmets the only gold on them is on the Banner and a small bit on some weapons and that is it If you wanna check them out they are in the links in my Sig. Oh and most were made to look cool on my shelf thus the Banner bearer Having alot of stuff.

[MRCHAOS]

Im only going to do the exhausts on the back packs, (the round bits that stick out the sides)

 

Instead of Gold Im useing Dwarf Bronze so its a lot darker, but you can still pick them out as special troops and not the bright here look at me bling of the Blood Angels.

[Sir Blayse]

i'm actually wondering if this might be a good idea. i can use gold for the chest emblems, the rest would be normal flesh tearers, but only the champion would have a helmet on. he would have a gold helmet, but heavy washed for a dirty look.

 

i really enjoyed your flesh tearer blog, great work on the razorback. my FT's have a landraider and two razorbacks, I usually stick seth in the LR, but I think once i have the honor guard he will go in a razorback. right now he rides with eight RAS and a SP.

[Firedrake28]

Go with a colour that draws less attention than bright, shining gold. I considered painting my Honor Guard bronze instead of gold just to give them a less "Ooh, look at me!" sort of feel.

[Joasht]

Give all of them bare bald heads, like Seth. And follow Seth's color scheme, however you painted him. They'd look really uniform....

[MaleOpener]

Give all of them bare bald heads, like Seth. And follow Seth's color scheme, however you painted him. They'd look really uniform....

 

Love it!

 

<_<

 

I plan on painting mine the chapter colors with some gold bits here and there.

[Brother Nathan]

if i was to do a flesh tearer one id go tinbits washed with develin mud etc. or go standard. flesh tearers dot have a huge amount of troos so they could just be drawn from squads to do positions but not doning excesive bits from the armoury bar weapons...

[SamaNagol]

All available current background indicates that Seth's honourguard at least have gold helmets to pick them out from their brothers, and their sanguinary Guard have gold armour

[Whitefireinferno]

Uhh SamaNagol Can you point me in the Direction of this. However I am going to hazzard a guess and say your refering to BL? In which I say just NO.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Uhh SamaNagol Can you point me in the Direction of this. However I am going to hazzard a guess and say your refering to BL? In which I say just NO.

well the SG part it says that ALL successor chapters have gold SG except one who does white for both, SG and DC, and it says so in the codex.

[Whitefireinferno]

Yeah it was more the first part I was refering too the Honour Guard Being gold, I know the whole Sang Guard shebang and that we would have some dinged up suits of gold armour But I also reckon the FT would go helmetless in that situation.

[SamaNagol]

Honour Guard helmets being gold is made a big point of in Red Fury when Seth sends his personal HG to deliver the message to Dante.

 

And seeing as the codex already states they they have bright gold Sanguinary Guard, having a simple gold helmet for the Chapter Master's personal Honour guard isnt a stretch.

 

Whilst most Flesh Tearers will indeed be FAR too busy engaged in continuous actions to ever do more than essential repairs to their wargear, this does not preclude very high ranking Marines within the FT chapter from inheriting artificer or ornate relic pieces of armour as a badge of office.

 

This whole 'no no the Flesh Tearers would never wear anything shiny because they find it too bright and gaudy' is a fallacy with even less grounding in any sort of canon than the things I have mentioned.

 

As a 2nd founding chapter hey do have BRIGHT GOLD Sanguinary Guard as per the current codex. As a 2nd founding chapter they will have relics dating back over 10,000 years. Even 1,000 year old relics will have been worked on. The Chapter is dying now. It wasn't dying 2-10,000 years ago, and as such artisans of that era would have most definitely worked on what would now be considered Relics of the chapter.

 

I see no reason why Chaplains, Librarians, Captains, Honour Guard, Vanguard and Dreadnoughts would be utterly bare bones.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Honour Guard helmets being gold is made a big point of in Red Fury when Seth sends his personal HG to deliver the message to Dante.

 

And seeing as the codex already states they they have bright gold Sanguinary Guard, having a simple gold helmet for the Chapter Master's personal Honour guard isnt a stretch.

 

Whilst most Flesh Tearers will indeed be FAR too busy engaged in continuous actions to ever do more than essential repairs to their wargear, this does not preclude very high ranking Marines within the FT chapter from inheriting artificer or ornate relic pieces of armour as a badge of office.

 

This whole 'no no the Flesh Tearers would never wear anything shiny because they find it too bright and gaudy' is a fallacy with even less grounding in any sort of canon than the things I have mentioned.

 

As a 2nd founding chapter hey do have BRIGHT GOLD Sanguinary Guard as per the current codex. As a 2nd founding chapter they will have relics dating back over 10,000 years. Even 1,000 year old relics will have been worked on. The Chapter is dying now. It wasn't dying 2-10,000 years ago, and as such artisans of that era would have most definitely worked on what would now be considered Relics of the chapter.

 

I see no reason why Chaplains, Librarians, Captains, Honour Guard, Vanguard and Dreadnoughts would be utterly bare bones.

please, i mean please never use james swallow or mention anything pertaining to him here ever again. thanks :blink:

[SamaNagol]

Dont be an arse

[Whitefireinferno]

I have to somewhat agree with both though, I cannot stand what James Swallow made the BA and Successors look like *come on seth weilding a Plasma Rifle* and Yet I do not agree with gold helmets on the Flesh Tearers *I personally think it looks Naff* I do not mind a small amout of embelishment like my Termie Libby who has a Gold Hood and I do not mind the odd gold bit here and there BUT for me Gold Helmets are a NO NO.

 

 

Plus Black Helmets for everyone just makes Us so Bad ass words cannot really describe.

[Grimm Blade]

This is an interesting debate, and one which I have had several times before with several different people :rolleyes:

 

The thing is that (almost) everything written about the Flesh Tearers describes them as looking down upon the vanity of their parent chapter, and having little to no time to look to the "superficial" repair of their war gear because of their constant engagements. That to me means that everything is maintained to the same levels as observed by other chapters except for the paint jobs. Which to many of the B&C readers dislike was mentioned in Mr Swallow's novels when he described how a FT Whirlwind was running perfectly despite its outwardly ill cared for appearance.

 

The confusion arises for me when you try to define what is considered vain. I know that the FTs are said to all have black helmets because their small numbers require them to fill organization slots on the fly, thus making "extra" markings such as different colored helmets etc...inpractical. This I agree with, and think it adds alot to the character of the FTs. However, Veteran status is not something that is considered to be vanity, nor is it shifted around as deployment on the battle field may be (from assault to heavy support etc...) is it? This point I am torn on...(pun intended).

 

Every space marine is a hero in their own right, and some are skilled more than others, this superior skill level usually results in promotion to veteran status, Sgt, Captain, etc... which is constant (outside of promotion) regardless of the roll being filled on the battle field......so........Why not have golden helmets to denote this?

 

Even though FT are not overcome with vanity as the BAs are thought by some to be, they are not (in my opinion) willing to go to such extreems as to ignore the achievements and prowess of their greatest warriors, which is why I do not think it is too much of a stretch to see FT HG with golden helmets. As for Sanguinary guard...The Flesh Tearers just dont like vanity, they are not against relics...In old reports from when I first started to play 40K or Rouge Trader as it was then called :mellow: Terminator suits would seize up if their original chapter's colors were covered, would not painting over the golden goodness of one of the Sanguinary Gurad's armour also insult it's machine spirit?

 

Really, there is no right or wrong answer here, the topic is too subjective and there is not enough material to provide a difinitive answer in either direction. So.......Go with what you feel the most comfortable with.

 

GB

[Sir Blayse]

I've never read Mr. Swallows books, so no ideas or opinions of those from me. All my FT's have black helmets, but I do want the HG to stand out. (Of course having Seth screaming across the field does do that by itself) I think I still like the helmet-less look, it says we're so bad we don't need our helmets. I don't think I'll do the all bad look though, don't need a bunch of Seth dopplegangers. But I'll have to wait a little bit, shop won't have the box in for about a week. I'm also fairly sure I'm going to put the squad in a razorback with HB, I would do AC, but won't have the extra points.

[SamaNagol]

All my Vets and Sergeants have bare heads. some are bald. Some have tightly cropped hair like the traditional marines. Some are horribly scarred.

 

But for Seth's personal Honour Guard, and arguably for all Veterans, as mentioned above, gold helmets are a symbol of rank and duty, not vanity.

 

Putting gold trimming on your Bolter casing or painting friezes of important moments in your career on the side of your personal transport would be considered vanity.

[Whitefireinferno]

But thats just It the gold helmet is a sign of Rank something we do not botherwith since in retrospect everyone is a Vet in my books, So If we cared enough to paint our Vets helmets gold we would care enough to paint helmets the other colours we wear Black for a reason because it is what we do to denote Vet status we use a Skull on our shoulder If you want check Chapter Approved it say's so under the Flesh Tearers bit.

[SamaNagol]

Being the personal honour guard of a chapter master and being a Devastator are worlds apart. Your battlefield assignment is not a rank, it is what holes you need to fill in that engagement. Being entrusted with the protection of your Chapter Master is a huge honour, not a mere role.

 

But it's your army, you clearly have made your own decisions about how you want them to look. No one can force you to do anything.

[Grimm Blade]

But thats just It the gold helmet is a sign of Rank something we do not botherwith since in retrospect everyone is a Vet in my books, So If we cared enough to paint our Vets helmets gold we would care enough to paint helmets the other colours we wear Black for a reason because it is what we do to denote Vet status we use a Skull on our shoulder If you want check Chapter Approved it say's so under the Flesh Tearers bit.

 

As Samanagol rightly states, this is your army, and I believe that your reasoning is sound.........But, :) LOL!

 

I do not believe that ALL Fleash Tearers are verterans. Even though FTs rarely live beyond 200 years before they succum to the Black Rage, there will still be those who are more experienced than others, and as such will be worthy of recognition within the Chapter. FTs who have just become full battle brothers are not veterans, Honour Guard are. Without acknowledging rank and seniority Flesh Tearers would devolve into a mindless mob (watch your tounges all you FT haters!!! :D ) no better than orks. Besides, could you not make the same vanity argument about painting a skull on your shoulder pad?

 

But then again that's just my opinion....I am enjoying the debate.

 

BC

[MaleOpener]

A bronze looks quite striking against red/black.

 

On the GW website, there's a step-by-step painting guide for the red corsairs which shows red/black/bronze.

 

I believe I'm going to go with that.

 

Red Corsairs Painting Guide

[Grimm Blade]

That sounds good maleopener!

I usually use a bronze base and subtley highlight it with gold so that the end result isn't all flashy.

It appears we have another proponant of the golden helmet! :)

 

GB