Distributing Special Weapons

[Coverfire]

I was wondering in terms of a Grey Hunter Pack which is the best way to distribute special weapons?

 

Say I want a 9 man squad as I'll put in a WGPL; I want to use a Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Powerweapon and MoTW.

Should I give a single special weapon one 4 guys or stack them so that the Meltagun has a Powerweapon and the MOTW

carries the wolf standard.

 

Pro: More ablative wounds before killing item holders.

 

Con: Lucky shots take out two special items.

 

Has anyone looked into this and decided it wasn't worth it? or have anything to say on the matter.

[postal105]

i always spread stuff like that out over multupial models because then instead of losing 2 things at 1 time you only lose 1

[Dingareth]

I do Power Weapon and Meltagun on one, and a Wolf Standard on another. Add in a Wolf Guard with a Combi-Melta and a Power Fist, and you're golden.

[Coverfire]

I do Power Weapon and Meltagun on one, and a Wolf Standard on another. Add in a Wolf Guard with a Combi-Melta and a Power Fist, and you're golden.

 

Have you had any bad experiences losing one or your stacked guys to an unlucky die roll?

[Grey Mage]

I havent, but I dont do that because Ive seen it happen to often.

 

My armor saves are well known to be excellent in my area, but they dont like it when I get cocky, so I wouldnt do that. Most Ill double up is the wolf standard, usually on the SCCW guy *as a couple of mine are epicly posed with a PW or PF*.

[Valerian]

I havent, but I dont do that because Ive seen it happen to often.

 

My armor saves are well known to be excellent in my area, but they dont like it when I get cocky, so I wouldnt do that. Most Ill double up is the wolf standard, usually on the SCCW guy *as a couple of mine are epicly posed with a PW or PF*.

 

I sometimes stack, and sometimes don't. In my Grey Hunter packs I've stacked my Wolf Standards onto my models with Power Fists, because it looks cool. The MotW model, and the Melta Gun models only have the single upgrade each, and aren't stacked. Thus, out of 10 guys, four of them are "different", so an enemy unit has to achieve 7 Wounding Hits on a Hunter pack (fairly unlikely, depending on the situation) before any of the "special" guys have to even take a Save.

 

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[Grimtooth]

I don't increase the points cost of my special models even more by adding additional special weapons or wargear to them.

 

Wolf Standard is a wash. It is going to get used first assault anyway which just makes him an ablative wound from then on out.

 

Meltaguns are their own models.

 

Powerfist is his own model.

 

MoW is his own model.

 

Now just thinking about adding the cost of powerfist on top of the cost of a meltagun onto one model and losing both to a failed 3+ save? No thanks. As it stands, I have 5 ablative wounds, going on 6 when I pop my standard which is always more then enough for my lists and play style.

[Anpu42]

I usally with my Grey Hunters stack the Wolf Standard with the one with the Power Fist and every thing else spread out.

 

With my Blood Claws I only Stack the Flamer with a Power Fist as that Way I only loose 1 Attack.

 

With my Wolf Scouts and Sky Claws I give the Special/Heavy Weapon to my MotW for the Same Reason.

[trefenwyd]

I always stack:

 

PW/PF and Melta

MoTW and Standard

 

Reasoning:

 

I can take up to 7 wounds before any of my specials even have a chace of getting hurt.

 

Let's mathhammer it:

 

Option 1: 5 normal, 4 special

Option 2: 7 normal, 2 special

 

Option 1: If you take 6 wounds, you lose 1 * 1/3 or .33 specials

If you take 7 wounds, you lose 2 * 1/3 or .66 specials

If you take 8 wounds, you lose 3 * 1/3 or 1 sepcial

If you take 9 wounds, you lose 4 * 1.3 or 1.33 specials

 

Option 2: If you take 6 wounds, you lose 0

If you take 7 wounds, you lose 0

If you take 8 wounds, you lose 1 model * 2 speicals/model * 1/3 save fail chance or .66 specials

If you take 9 wounds, you lose 2 models * 2 specials/model * 1/3 save fail chance or 1.33 specials

 

 

Yes, I realize that I am "putting all my eggs in one basket", but Mathhammer CLEARLY dictates stacking your specials - with statistical benefits better than or equal to separarting your specials in every circumstance. Having said that, I clearly understand that either models look better a certain way or you just like having 4 special dudes or you just like playing a certain way w/a certain army. Bottom line, it really doesn't matter - it's statistically better to combine, but separating isn't going to be the reason you're winning or losing; put your unit together however you feel best.

 

Trefenwyd

[Grey Mage]

Mathammer- because yeah, of course dice rolls always follow the rules of statistics. ALWAYS.

 

*shrugs* Sorry, Im just not a fan of mathhammer, for the plain and simple reason that 9/10 games my rolls completely defy them for most of the game.

[WG Vrox]

If I could roll average every time, I would have to work pretty hard to loose a game. My rolls tend to be under par on all counts, so even plasma gets me nervous.

 

Like Grey Mage I stack my PW with my standard but Special Weapons are almost always on a separate model than my SCCW and/or MotW. I always run a WG CM/PF with any CC oriented squad and only a standard in a gun-line squad, so usually no WG nor a SCCW.

 

I can see the advantage of stacking in smaller units such as 5-7 man units, but if your running 8-10 men I would rather spread out the pain and make good decisions on who get the allocation dice.

 

Vrox