Terminators in a BA army....

[Mezkh]

Assault termies have their place, but it's close to a 750 point outlay for the transport, priest, Th/ss, and character for rerolls. Your army better be designed around maximising that investment, and if your opponent can nullify it then you're in trouble.

 

I like the idea of Shooty termies, fantastic anchor unit. You don't always have to deepstrike them, no worries starting on the board with relentless and minimum 24" range weapons. 230 for the termies, 145 for a libby, (maybe spend the 50 points for epistolary depending on powers) and 85 for the priest. You can spend the points for the Landraider on something else if you want. This unit still has Str9 powerfists on vehicles and 9 I5 St5 powersword attacks on the charge, rerolling with rage, maybe a force weapon, but they don't have to make combat to be in the game.

[Zeller]

When running IC with TDA squads I give the IC TDA. The librarians especially tend to need that extra save and the invulnerable save is a life saver. Perhaps TDA upgrade as opposed to the Epistolary? Priests are too expensive for TDA with 1 wound and all so I see that.

 

Agreed on ranged TDA squads. Very flexible and typically fun to use. Much more forgiving than assault TDA.

[tahrikmili]

I run a squad of 5 Tactical Terminators with Heavy Flamer joined by a Sanguinary Priest with a Combi-Flamer. Very good unit - it's not as high profile a target as Assault Terminators, and it's s 100% effective when on the move. People often underestimate how much hurt they can put out with FC and FNP and 2 templates.

[Mezkh]

When running IC with TDA squads I give the IC TDA. The librarians especially tend to need that extra save and the invulnerable save is a life saver. Perhaps TDA upgrade as opposed to the Epistolary? Priests are too expensive for TDA with 1 wound and all so I see that.

 

Agreed on ranged TDA squads. Very flexible and typically fun to use. Much more forgiving than assault TDA.

 

Oh sorry I should have said I put both in TDA, the libby with the storm shield option. Reason for that would be they can actually all deepstrike if needed. Plus it looks cool.

It is a bit expensive for the priest still.

[Aarkon]

I have a tournament I am going to this weekend. If you check my blog here http://stratfordgamingunion.blogspot.com/ you can see that I am taking 20 Assault terminators on foot lol. Just an odd idea I want to give a try.

[Zeller]

I wish you well in your tournament, Aarkon. Just be careful with those IG armies.

[SamaNagol]

Well if they are carrying a mix of Storm Shields and accompanied by a Sanguinary Priest, they will be nigh on impervious to shooting

[Aarkon]

I wish you well in your tournament, Aarkon. Just be careful with those IG armies.

 

 

I tested this list against an IG player. I deep struck one unit of termies in front of the IG army, he shot his 1850 list at the 10 termies and managed to kill 3 once the smoke clears. Most IG players are running Leaf Blower like lists which is lots of Chemiras/Heavy Bolter/Multi-laser/Heavy Stubber/Auto Cannons. So lots of these hitting armor 2 with feel no pain means that really very very few of those shots even matter. Very few IG players end up with a demolisher cannon in the lists. Now I do know 2 players are going with one Demolisher cannon in the list (both because they have seen my army, one player tested his against mine), but I am taking 20 termies and Mephiston. Last tournament I went to I only took 10 termies/Mephiston and Sanguinor and ran these across the table at an IG player. The IG lists generally can not stop all of this before it gets in there. Most IG lists don't shoot any AP 2 or lower weapons. They pray that the mass number of shots will stop most armies. Both Termi squads I am running have 7 TH/SS and 3 LC.

 

LIke I said the meta-game is built around stopping tanks which a few meltaguns are good for but a few meltaguns are not good for stopping 20 termies with 2+/3++ and feel no pain.

[Redfinger]

what about running th/ss terms as a bubble wrap for a BA mech list?, or even a BA jump list starting everything on the table.

[NExOBLIVISCARIS]

20 TERMIES? i tip my hat to you that sounds amazing. how do most enemies react when they see that?

[bloodancient]

20 TERMIES? i tip my hat to you that sounds amazing. how do most enemies react when they see that?

even a hole army of guards men wood be squating in the mud at the sight. You would be able to hear the teeth chattering a mile away.

[SamaNagol]

I forget, can we put terminators in Drop Pods?

[Leardinal]

I forget, can we put terminators in Drop Pods?

 

While Terminators can fit in them, there is just no way to actually get them in drop pods. They can only take LR's as dedicated transports, and per the dedicated transports rules you can't but it for another unit and the "loan" it to the Termies.

[SamaNagol]

Thought not. Thanks for clarifying

[Aarkon]

20 TERMIES? i tip my hat to you that sounds amazing. how do most enemies react when they see that?

 

Well my friends kind of laughed simply because while we were all sitting around talking about a prior tournament where I took Mephiston, Sanguinor and 10 Assault terminators I did really well and in a 4 round tournament never lost the whole squad of termies. The only guy that got close hit me in assault with Logan Grimnar (using his howl) 4 termies with Power weapons, as well as 2 squads of 8 Grey wolves, with Mark of the wolven, and both squads popped their wolf banner. That all hit me in one turn, however there were still 2 termies left after the smoke cleared on round 1. round 2 mephiston, and 2 Assautl Squads jumped in to help and cleaned everything up. round 3 only Logan was left and mephiston finished him off and 2 of the Assault termies lived till the end of the game.

 

After this tournament I joked how sick this unit was even just walking. So the joke started that if 10 got me to second place then 20 should get me to first lol. They all stopped laughing the next week when I showed up with 20 termies ready for a test game LOL.

 

Though my first list had 20 termies, each with a chaplain (for fearless and re-rolls in the charge) and a Priest this was pretty sick but I felt I was missing a third scare unit. I tossed mephiston back in to give my opponent 3 hugh targets to deal with and leave my 3 troop squads alone. we'll see I think I pushed the experiment to far with this list but I want to try it and see what happens.

[shatter]

I forget, can we put terminators in Drop Pods?

 

While Terminators can fit in them, there is just no way to actually get them in drop pods. They can only take LR's as dedicated transports, and per the dedicated transports rules you can't but it for another unit and the "loan" it to the Termies.

 

3 termies in a drop pod is the most.

 

3DC with pod & 3TDA ICs

 

Otherwise, yarp... the LR is the only pod possible for termie squads. Pity they dont have drop pod guidance systems.

[SamaNagol]

Just for funsies....

 

Mephiston

 

5 Terminators

3 THammer/StormShield

 

 

5 Terminators

3 THammer/StormShield

 

2 Sanguinary Priests

Terminator Armour

 

5 Assault Marines

Land Raider

Multi Melta

 

5 Assault Marines

Land Raider

Multi Melta

 

1500pts

 

Target saturation at it's best! What you gonna shoot at?!?!

[AndyinUT]

Having been lured into 40k by the gateway drug known as Space Hulk many years ago, I have a soft spot for shooty termies in my army. I also love the look of the Land Raider Crusader, how could I not include one in my army? My basic and untested plan is to roll the LRC with a squad of TDA with one Assault Cannon and a Sangaury Priest in TDA up the field toward a nice juicy target of opportunity. I'd have the LRC soften up the target while the TDA disembark blasting away, and then assaulting. Isn't having Shooty termies a chance to strike not once but twice if pulled off properly? I'd also use the LRC as cover for my advancing Assault squads. They're able to hide behind it pretty well.

[SamaNagol]

Not really as they don't shoot that well and with all power fists you do not take advantage of the initiative boost from the Priest. I can understand that 5 shooty Terminators with a Priest deep striking would be potentially very survivable and far less costly than driving them up in a 270pt taxi cab.

[Corby]

I wish you well in your tournament, Aarkon. Just be careful with those IG armies.

 

 

I tested this list against an IG player. I deep struck one unit of termies in front of the IG army, he shot his 1850 list at the 10 termies and managed to kill 3 once the smoke clears. Most IG players are running [b]Leaf Blower [/b]like lists which is lots of Chemiras/Heavy Bolter/Multi-laser/Heavy Stubber/Auto Cannons. So lots of these hitting armor 2 with feel no pain means that really very very few of those shots even matter. Very few IG players end up with a demolisher cannon in the lists. Now I do know 2 players are going with one Demolisher cannon in the list (both because they have seen my army, one player tested his against mine), but I am taking 20 termies and Mephiston. Last tournament I went to I only took 10 termies/Mephiston and Sanguinor and ran these across the table at an IG player. The IG lists generally can not stop all of this before it gets in there. Most IG lists don't shoot any AP 2 or lower weapons. They pray that the mass number of shots will stop most armies. Both Termi squads I am running have 7 TH/SS and 3 LC.

 

LIke I said the meta-game is built around stopping tanks which a few meltaguns are good for but a few meltaguns are not good for stopping 20 termies with 2+/3++ and feel no pain.

 

 

A leaf blower list is a 2.5k mech guard list with Valks , melta Vets and Manticores. What you faced is an imperial guard list :lol:

 

I'd Wonder how those Termies would far against 6 Valks with vets in a 1850 game though. Tyranid Tyrannofexs would give you a Hard time with 20 str 4 shots each a turn. Also two 20 shot a turn St 5 punisher cannons would give you an even harder time.

 

Also the standard list for imperial guard has plenty of Melta, plasma and Lascannons. Autocannons and heavy bolters donot feature much in the majority of guard lists.

[NExOBLIVISCARIS]

Quick question, what is a leafblower list and why is it called a "leaf blower" list?

[Corby]

Quick question, what is a leafblower list and why is it called a "leaf blower" list?

 

 

A leaf blower list is a 2.5k mech guard list that won the hardboyz 2009 tournament. It primarily focuses on Valkerie ( not sure if its valkerie or vendetta transports for troops) supported veteran squads with meltas , supported by numerous manticores with the capability to rain down several ST10 large blast templates a turn. the Army list was named 'the leafblower' as the person playing the army blew all his opponents off the table incredibly quickly. ( as if he'd taken a 'leafblower' to the table)

[Zarnak]

I use 5 Assault Termies with a Termie Librarian (Unleash Rage/Smite) in my list (3 LC 2 TH/SS) they play a defensive role however, clearing the incomming warbikers, nobs and the occasional monstrous creature. I always footslog them since they are a supportive unit to my home table-edge. So far I've had great success, them cutting like butter through warbikers, sustaining increadibly heavy fire and the likes. Occasionally they get help from a nearby priest though.

 

Today I tested out my 1750 list and they got supported by my 5 man Vanguards with jps and power weapons.

 

Oh! Watch out for big squads though, running into a squad of 20-30 boysquads is not funny. Especially when you don't get the charge.

[shatter]

Quick question, what is a leafblower list and why is it called a "leaf blower" list?

 

It's a Vietnam deployed APC reference.

'Had a 4x 50cal (iirc) mounted machine-gun on a cupola. It shredded the jungle so visibly, it was coined 'leaf-blower'.

 

edit: sp

[MuGGzy]

I may make myself look like a TOTAL noob here, and have not actually PLAYED my BA army (as I enjoy converting and painting more), but doesn't the codex say the entire Land Raider can Deepstrike? So wouldn't a unit of termies inside a LR be able to be dropped anywhere you wanted when they could come in? If I have miss understand how DS works try not to bite my head off. ;-)