Ash Tekka Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I'm making a lone wolf with storm shield and motw in power armor. Would he still go on a normal 25mm base? Is there somewhere that states what size bases your supposed to be using for certain things? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Generally I do any power armored guy on a 25mm base and any terminator armored marine on the terminator bases unless I'm doing a power armored showcase model. Really, its your choice if I remember correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorri Goresson Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 think its down to you, on how you want him to look i think the only rule that says you cant make the base bigger is Cainis due to his, crasy "im going to smack you all up" rule Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 ok thats about what I thought it was. I just wasnt sure if there was something I missed along the line and wanted to check. So I guess I have a followup question: Which do you think he'd be more useful on a 25mm or a terminator base? I was thinking on a 25mm his multiple attacks would make him be able to concentrate them all in one area making it easier to kill an IC and would mean taking less saves since there would be less in contact with him. But a terminator base would mean he'd have more in base contact allowing him to become a roadblock and be able to chew apart larger weaker groups but would open him up to having to take more saves. What's everyones opinion on it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro_Protagonist Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I think the terminator base would be more useful. Like you said he creates a roadblock. If he's in base to base with an independant character he can direct all of his attacks that way regardless of who else is in contact with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Magnetize the foot and both bases. Use the one you think is more suitable for defeating your enemy. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 Magnetize the foot and both bases. Use the one you think is more suitable for defeating your enemy. ;) Thats not a bad idea. I'm also thinking of cutting a recess into the terminator base for the 25mm to fit snugly into. I think the magnets might look better, especially since I just ordered a ton of 1/32" magnets:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Magnetize the foot and both bases. Use the one you think is more suitable for defeating your enemy. :P Thats not a bad idea. I'm also thinking of cutting a recess into the terminator base for the 25mm to fit snugly into. I think the magnets might look better, especially since I just ordered a ton of 1/32" magnets:) Heres the deal: Officially, you put the model on the base its sold with. Other than that your opponent is allowed to object. IF you put some serious effort into basing and painting this guy, so the larger base looks right and the whole thing looks cool, 99% of opponents will just be appreciative of the neat conversion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro_Protagonist Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I thought the rule was just no smaller than the base it is sold with. So no Daemon Prince on a 25mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Magnetize the foot and both bases. Use the one you think is more suitable for defeating your enemy. :P Thats not a bad idea. I'm also thinking of cutting a recess into the terminator base for the 25mm to fit snugly into. I think the magnets might look better, especially since I just ordered a ton of 1/32" magnets:) Heres the deal: Officially, you put the model on the base its sold with. Other than that your opponent is allowed to object. IF you put some serious effort into basing and painting this guy, so the larger base looks right and the whole thing looks cool, 99% of opponents will just be appreciative of the neat conversion. The problem in this case is that he is clearly trying to model for advantage. He is power armor, he goes on a 25mm base. If you want him on a terminator base, put him in terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem in this case is that he is clearly trying to model for advantage. He is power armor, he goes on a 25mm base. If you want him on a terminator base, put him in terminator armor. I'm not trying to model for advantage hence why I am asking this just to make sure what my options are. The model dwarfs the 25mm base and looks like it doesn't really belong on it. There really isn't much room to be able to add much detail on the base. I want to enter it in a painting competition and would prefer the larger base for that but I still want to be able to use it in games. When looking at how much damage motw w/ storm shield is capable of doing it would seem that a larger base would make it easier to kill therefore leveling the field a little more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem in this case is that he is clearly trying to model for advantage. He is power armor, he goes on a 25mm base. If you want him on a terminator base, put him in terminator armor. I'm not trying to model for advantage hence why I am asking this just to make sure what my options are. Magnetize the foot and both bases. Use the one you think is more suitable for defeating your enemy. :P Thats not a bad idea. I'm also thinking of cutting a recess into the terminator base for the 25mm to fit snugly into. I think the magnets might look better, especially since I just ordered a ton of 1/32" magnets:) Sure looks that way. The model dwarfs the 25mm base and looks like it doesn't really belong on it. There really isn't much room to be able to add much detail on the base. I want to enter it in a painting competition and would prefer the larger base for that but I still want to be able to use it in games. When looking at how much damage motw w/ storm shield is capable of doing it would seem that a larger base would make it easier to kill therefore leveling the field a little more. Perhaps... but Id keep it standard- IE dont start switching out your bases between games unless its by opponents request. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 ok thats about what I thought it was.I just wasnt sure if there was something I missed along the line and wanted to check. So I guess I have a followup question: Which do you think he'd be more useful on a 25mm or a terminator base? I was thinking on a 25mm his multiple attacks would make him be able to concentrate them all in one area making it easier to kill an IC and would mean taking less saves since there would be less in contact with him. But a terminator base would mean he'd have more in base contact allowing him to become a roadblock and be able to chew apart larger weaker groups but would open him up to having to take more saves. What's everyones opinion on it? Dude, this what you wrote!!! This shows that you are modeling for advantage!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 If I could pick either then wouldn't it be worth exploring the gameplay mechanics that it would affect and get the opinions of those that have played longer to make an informed decision? If I really wanted to model for advantage why not just use a dreadnought base :P I do alot of converting and customising my guys which is why my original post also asked if there was somewhere that listed what types of bases your supposed to use on models, I want to make sure that I use what is legal and will still allow me the room to make them look good. For instance I have a box of old metal terminators that have 25mm slotted bases. New terminators are on the bigger bases. I'm assuming that I have to update their bases to the currently used size. However that goes against the saying of use whatever base it was packaged with. (I'm kidding about that dread base btw) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 No, older terminators use the 25mm bases. Whatever its sold with, you can use. If its sold with more than one, you get to choose. Pretty simple, eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Perhaps... but Id keep it standard- IE dont start switching out your bases between games unless its by opponents request. Most likely I would only ever use one base size but if I decided to go with the larger base I would want to be able to use the smaller one if there were any issues. The other thing I thought of is by magnetizing it I can magnetize my other models feet so I can place them on the bigger base for photographing them. No, older terminators use the 25mm bases. Whatever its sold with, you can use. If its sold with more than one, you get to choose. Pretty simple, eh? huh that is pretty simple. Thats good news now I don't have to go buy a ton of bases just to mount them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Personally I don't see any reason an opponent wouldn't let you use a terminator base for the Lone Wolf. Its actually a disadvantage to you because now more people can get into base which means more supporting attacks can be hammered into him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slmellon Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 No, older terminators use the 25mm bases. Whatever its sold with, you can use. If its sold with more than one, you get to choose. Pretty simple, eh? So I didn't have to change the bases on my old terminators? I thought they HAD to be on 40mm bases and PA guys on 25mm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 No, older terminators use the 25mm bases. Whatever its sold with, you can use. If its sold with more than one, you get to choose. Pretty simple, eh? So I didn't have to change the bases on my old terminators? I thought they HAD to be on 40mm bases and PA guys on 25mm Nope. GWs official statements on this, and what little they gave us in the BRB states- use what it was sold with. Theres no reason to tear your minis apart any more than you have to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 No, older terminators use the 25mm bases. Whatever its sold with, you can use. If its sold with more than one, you get to choose. Pretty simple, eh? So I didn't have to change the bases on my old terminators? I thought they HAD to be on 40mm bases and PA guys on 25mm Nope. GWs official statements on this, and what little they gave us in the BRB states- use what it was sold with. Theres no reason to tear your minis apart any more than you have to. Just to add to the conversation, the rules on bases has changed with each edition (at least third through fifth, anyway). I started modelling all of my Characters, including Wolf Guard on 40mm bases years ago, and I'm not going to stop now. Nobody at the LGS cares, and most appreciate that the army is fully painted, looks good, and the heroes stand out. If you aren't doing it to get an advantage, it shouldn't bother anyone. If it causes a problem at a tournament, then just make sure that you have a substitute on a smaller base to swap him out for, just in case someone gets a little uptight about it. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Magnitise it, but make a note of what the normal expected size of the base is on your army list so you can keep consistant, except people who expect you to use the approate size, .25 and .40 for PA and Termie respectively. Which is fair enough, though theres not a huge functional advantage in this case. Provided it looks really sweet, then it's not a big problem. ^^ To this date though, power armour Lone Wolf is easily makeable in battle force and Terminator in Wolf Guard. Which too my knowledge is .25 and .40 respectively. Addtional note: No melta in battle force makes me sad. T_T Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2528753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Okay I have him mostly finished now and went with the 25mm base. It still doesn't give me much room for basing options but...maybe I don't need alot of room... anyways heres a pic of him still wip right after I had applied my highlights. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to actually put on the base that would look good? I was thinking maybe a muddy field with slight snow cover (like somewhere hes been standing in one spot and fighting for awhile) but not sure if I can pull that off quite right. Any suggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2541408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 You could turn both bases into a rocky out crop. Wouldnt take much to make it look like he is standing on some levels of stone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2541425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I think it's really down to what you're trying to go for. I've put mine on a 40mm base, as I physically couldn't fit the conversion onto a 25mm base without it looking stupid. Anyhoos, here's a picture of mine. I usually run him with MoTW and meltabombs and then jam him into my opponent's grill along with a BC squad. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/jaymz2k4/IMAG0035.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212553-base-size-for-pa-lone-wolf-still-25mm/#findComment-2541494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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