traxter Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I have a 2k all jump list with VV and SG and 3 fuull RAS... currently run a Epistolary with pack at 175 but wasthink of switching to astorath? I use dante as it is but have the spare 45 points for astorath in my 2k list as well... my libby doesnt generally do much so i was think astoraths 3 or less buff would be more useful? any experience with him? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 If the list takes advantage of Astorath, he's a really good character. I came in second at a local tournament recently where my only HQ was Astorath and its been probably 3 months since I've played BA without Astorath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 can i ask why upgrade to epistolry? its very expensive for all it does currently. specially when we have powers we can use in the opponents turn like sheild. Anyway im really thinking of running astro, he provides an army wide buff, that can affect your vanguard vets. imagine deepstriking and then furious charing, =nice... not to mention hes a chaplin, and has good wargeear upgades in his price... im certaly considering him anyway... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus of Baal Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 can i ask why upgrade to epistolry? its very expensive for all it does currently. specially when we have powers we can use in the opponents turn like sheild. Anyway im really thinking of running astro, he provides an army wide buff, that can affect your vanguard vets. imagine deepstriking and then furious charing, =nice... not to mention hes a chaplin, and has good wargeear upgades in his price... im certaly considering him anyway... What I've done to get the Vanguard Veterans' Heroic Intervention with Furious Charge was just to get a Sanguinary Priest to drop in first right next to them. More to the point of the thread, I repeat the question of "why Epistolary?" Fifty points can almost always be better spent somewhere else, and I for one have never been able to justify getting the upgrade simply because I always give my Librarians the Shield of Sanguinius power. In this case, my vote is on Astorath. I can't think of any squad besides Devis that would not love to have Furious Charge and Fearless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 . I can't think of any squad besides Devis that would not love to have Furious Charge and Fearless. Even Fearless Devis are awesome, friend!! They'll not move off their fire support location. Really good unit to have in an Astorath list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 and furious charge would allow them to threaten units sent to engage them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus of Baal Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 and furious charge would allow them to threaten units sent to engage them. My idea was that even at that range they would probably rather keep shooting than charge. I suppose there are exceptions, though--Lascannon-based Devis staring down a light group of Orks, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 ofcourse there always are. if you had heavy bolters you wouldnt move, specially anything with 4+ or worse. but say there was orks and you had las, and there was enough of them to beat you if they charged, but if you charge youd take them out... well different time, it can be nice to have the options.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxter Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 only reason i upgraded in this list to epistolary is because i play infantry guard and orks very very often. They have no weapons i need a cover save for so to use rage and sword on the same turn is well worth the 50 pts when charging 20+ model strong units. I would refine my list for tournament play and take sheild of course... but otherwise i agree the 50 points is a waste in all comers list. but this list is built around fighting hordes. not fearing anything that i need a cover save for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus of Baal Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 only reason i upgraded in this list to epistolary is because i play infantry guard and orks very very often. They have no weapons i need a cover save for so to use rage and sword on the same turn is well worth the 50 pts when charging 20+ model strong units. I would refine my list for tournament play and take sheild of course... but otherwise i agree the 50 points is a waste in all comers list. but this list is built around fighting hordes. not fearing anything that i need a cover save for. See, i"m used to IG bringing plenty of las/plas hell, even if they still mostly have everything else. In your specific case, however, I understand Epistolary and continue to advocate the use of Astorath the Grim. Furious Charge helps in those fights, too, and unless you have a lot of Sanguinary Priests running around already I don't think you'll get much of that liitle bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Black Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 How do people deal with the negative side of Astorath? By that I mean boosting your opponents BA army. In my area I would say 1 out of 3 players right now are using the BA codex and it makes my stomach turn to think that I’m spending points to give my opponent an advantage while reducing mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezkh Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 How do people deal with the negative side of Astorath? By that I mean boosting your opponents BA army. In my area I would say 1 out of 3 players right now are using the BA codex and it makes my stomach turn to think that I’m spending points to give my opponent an advantage while reducing mine. Wouldn't think it much of a big deal. And if you've taken a list to 'take advantage' of Astorath, you're still ahead of the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2532990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 How do people deal with the negative side of Astorath? By that I mean boosting your opponents BA army. In my area I would say 1 out of 3 players right now are using the BA codex and it makes my stomach turn to think that I’m spending points to give my opponent an advantage while reducing mine. I've only faced BA once with my Astorath list, it was a kill point mission at a tournament. Sure, it was annoying to benefit my opponent, but my list was designed to take advantage of Astorath. I guess, for me, BA opponents are rare enough that I just ignore that possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2533163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 ba dont fisht ba, they just train against each other so either way i see it as a win win. we either win, or loose and find out weaknesses so we can tak the to oponents we actually want to remove the heads off. or if the opponent has a dc you should charge astro into in for fluff reasons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2533200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 ba dont fisht ba, they just train against each other so either way i see it as a win win. we either win, or loose and find out weaknesses so we can tak the to oponents we actually want to remove the heads off. or if the opponent has a dc you should charge astro into in for fluff reasons... Until you fight a Chaos force using the BA 'dex.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2533399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 then its to the death and give no quarter, what else do you expect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212873-libby-vs-astorath/#findComment-2533435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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