B1ad3st0rm Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 He runs: Daemon Prince with Lash Slaanesh Lord 20 man squad of noise marines all with sonic blasters except for one blastmaster 2 10 man CSM squads both with 2x meltas each, one with power fist the other with powerweapon (both in rhinos) 10 man squad of lesser daemons bike squad 2x meltaguns and powerfist 2x obliterators I think that is it. I used to be able to wipe the table with him but now he cleans me up. Any ideas would be appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebanash Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 What seems to be the biggest threat on the table, are his I5 marines seeming to go toe to toe with you? What kind of list are you running, what kind of synergy are you trying to support your troops with. He seems to have a hard spot for his marines, Make him eat plasma or ensure that you marines are running in a FNP bubble and that should turn the tides in any sort of melee. Drop pod dreads should take care of the oblits just fine while your plasma cleans his marines, i recommend Devs with P Cannons :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ad3st0rm Posted October 15, 2010 Author Share Posted October 15, 2010 The only problem is I am trying to keep a balanced list rather then tailor something just for him, I run pretty much jump lists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 What seems to be the biggest threat on the table, are his I5 marines seeming to go toe to toe with you? What kind of list are you running, what kind of synergy are you trying to support your troops with. He seems to have a hard spot for his marines, Make him eat plasma or ensure that you marines are running in a FNP bubble and that should turn the tides in any sort of melee. Drop pod dreads should take care of the oblits just fine while your plasma cleans his marines, i recommend Devs with P Cannons :) Dont use frop pod dreads against him it will be an apsolute waste. Not onlt does he have melta guns scatteresd everywhere but if you deep strike near those oblits they alone will take out the read, an utter waste. Plasma Cannons will be ok but what on, Devs? They cant manouvor while shooting or keep up with a BA army, if you want high str pie get a vindi. The 12 inch move means you can shoot and keep out of melta 2d6 range with relative ease each turn. You can also id that slanesh lord or those oblits at 150 pts with dowzer blade its a steal. also a libe with shield and range with a nice honor guard would go well. Put in some SS and a few Lightning claws and he will struggle against that unit with what he has. make sure all your units keep in FnP bubbles it is reather critcal against that list with so much low str firepower. Regards Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 you want to run a balanced list using mostly jump packs? Good luck with that, let me know if you ever manage it! Seriously, that big squad is begging for a vindi. Putting your squads in vehicles negates his dp with lash. A couple of tactical squads with heavy weapons to stop his rhino squads and just pie-plate him into oblivion. Maybe a vv squad to go after oblits using hi? Give us your usual army list, and available models and we can come up with better solutions that dont involve you spending money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 My advice, not knowing your list? Reserve everything and drop around that big squad then charge it with your VVV, with running and DoA's your priests should be in range to give you FC and FNP on the drop. If he mechs up do the same thing but make sure you pop the transport with melta RAS. As for a balanced Jump list? I use Libby JP Shield Rage 3x3priests PW JP 3x 10xRAS 2xmelta PF 2x6VV PF PW 2xLS HB TML This is a very brutal list with no spam or cheese. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ad3st0rm Posted October 15, 2010 Author Share Posted October 15, 2010 Well i have had most success with dante with and a squad of either ASM or Vanguard I run at least 2-4 assault squads, powerweapon and 2x meltagun and whatever i feel like at the time I have been trying to mix it up to find a balance. do far i have 2x assault squads powerweapon & melta every special character 1x tac squad 1x dev squad 2x baals 2x vindicators 3xlandraiders 5man death company with packs 10man deathcompany (footsloggers) a bunch of termies (including space hulk) 3x libby's 3x priests 1x termie chaplain Devie squad with whatever i want sanguine guard (whatever i decide) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 what points limit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 This is why i never run JP lists competitively. They get mauled by dual lash, Orks and Tyranids. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Not in my experience Sama, It's all about priority targeting and assasinating the most dangerous enemy units on the deepstrike , then concetrating your entire force on each section of his with multi unit assualts. an All JP list has more than enough speed to do this and it basically turns the fight into roughly 1750 pts versus say....500 or so points at a time. If the opponenet DOES have something you cant crack like a land raider with TH,SS termies then combat squad a RAS and sacrafice it to stop that raider allowing you to avoid the termies with impunity. Orks, I regularly table orks by turn4-5 you just have to be really carefull about never letting them get the charge, same with nids, in fact those 2 armies are the ones I'd recomend starting the majority of your force ON the table with as their shooting is less of a problem and you can judges the assualt better when they are moving towards you as well. Haven't had too many games agaisnt nids as me and a mate are the only 2 nid players around though I have a 2000pt game tomorrow and I think he may be bringing his nids. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 I dont care what your target priority is if all of your army is infantry and you are looking down the barrel of a vindicator, 6 obliterators and 2 lash princes. You're dead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Not really, but whatever personally I can make it work, I'd kill the vindicator and shoot/assualt the obliterators on the deepstrike, once thats done his lashes are much less of a problem and If Im really worried about it I can probably also kill one of the deamon princes with 4 meltaguns and 22 or so bolt pistol shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Good luck with that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2536998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 why thank you....its not really all that hard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Im sure its very straight forward within your gaming group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 kill the prince, or brink a libarian to help nulifyy it. then kill the vindicator, and charge everything else. Sanguinator could be goo to make the oppoent waste alot of his low ap shots as he shrugs them off, and has enough stats to hurt emperors childern. mightt be a time to think about including him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorider2 Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 The most obvious thing to do is mech up. If you want to do JPs be sure to bring libbies with shield and priests and I would start everything on the table. At least one long range shooting unit is a must. Then use HGs, VVs, or SG depending on preference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 One Lash Prince will get shut down fairly easily by a combination of anti-psyker gear and long range shooting. With your cheaper Dev squads, just throwing Missiles at him from turn 1 will work. Emperor's Children are actually one of the harder Cult units to use well, mostly because they get really expensive really fast if kitted out for both CC and shooting. Remember that unlike Plague Marines, these guys die like any other Marine while costing 25% more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Yeh that list isnt too bad to be honest. Just shoot it to death Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodancient Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 He runs: Daemon Prince with Lash Slaanesh Lord 20 man squad of noise marines all with sonic blasters except for one blastmaster 2 10 man CSM squads both with 2x meltas each, one with power fist the other with powerweapon (both in rhinos) 10 man squad of lesser daemons bike squad 2x meltaguns and powerfist 2x obliterators I think that is it. I used to be able to wipe the table with him but now he cleans me up. Any ideas would be appreciated. So he doesnt run a vindi and you want to go JP's that is almost fantastic. use ML devs in 5 man squad x2 and shoot the hell out of the deamons JP's start on the table at the corners and one in the middle priest with each and keep them moving. maybe throw in some DC in a rhino for the LD their WS and FNP will help out maybe termies or sang gaurd for the bikers/oblits yea that sounds good hell through in a VV if you have some points left over or a vindi maybe a baal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213203-help-vs-emperors-children/#findComment-2537610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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