Blood Wolves

[Octavulg]

The Blood Wolves are a young and largely unknown chapter. Little remains of they're founding, despite being the most recent. No records of they're progenator chapter, or geneseed exists, and even the original members of the chapter can't remember where they are from.

 

'They're' is a contraction of 'they are'. 'Their' refers to the property and properties of groups.

 

Furthermore, this just seems insane. The most recent founding was 250-odd years ago. And how would the original member not remember?

 

History: Unknown to themselves, the Blood Wolves are of Blood Angel geenseed. This has been hidden to them by the High Lords of Terra as an experiment to identify whether the red thirst and black rage are genetic mutations of the geneseed, or simply the insanity passed from blood angel to blood angel by tales of Sanguinus. Records of there origin are kept from prying eyes, and little is revealed of them, outside of when they were founded. Two supposed survivors were charged with training the chapter, one has fallen, and the other mortally wounded to the point that he now lives on in the steel tomb of a Dreadnaught.

 

That's...actually kind of a neat idea.

 

But wouldn't it be easier to tell them they belonged to some other geneseed, rather than leaving it unknown? After all, if it's unknown, they might try to figure it out.

 

Home World: Kurt. Hive World, a little beyond Avignor in Segmentus Obscurus.

 

Kurt?

 

No. You shouldn't name it Bob, Louis or Joseph, either.

 

Combat Doctrine: Suppression and Close combat style fighting. Typically 1 squad suppresses the enemy, while another engages closecombat while they are pinned down. A use of as few explosive weapons as possible allow the Blood Wolves to act as a resecure and retrival force. Tasked with recovering sensitive equipment, vehicles, people and information.

 

First, the Adeptus Astartes is almost completely independent from the Imperium. They don't get tasked with things often.

 

Second, why do they do things this way?

 

Organization: TBA

 

It's Codex. A 26th Founding Chapter which the High Lords were very careful about the founding? Codex.

 

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Just a note: if you want the Space Wolves again just with a different color scheme, have them fall in an oil slick, or be in urban camo, or be mourning some terrible loss, or something. No need to go trying to hammer a square peg into a triangular hole.

[Wolfy1322]

'They're' is a contraction of 'they are'. 'Their' refers to the property and properties of groups.

A constant problem with my spelling. I'm not sure why, I've just always used that despite knowing better.

 

 

The most recent founding was 250-odd years ago. And how would the original member not remember?

I apologise for the misunderstanding. Poor wording on my part. It's not the founding as such, just the Blood Wolves, and I'm refering to the 26th founding obviously. The original members wouldn't remember as the High Lords wouldn't want them to remember they were part of the Blood Angels, due to the whole experiment.

 

But wouldn't it be easier to tell them they belonged to some other geneseed, rather than leaving it unknown? After all, if it's unknown, they might try to figure it out.

Possibly, it's something to think about, though I'm still looking for them to be, fluff wise, mistaken for wolves a large part of the time. Perhaps not by other chapters, but by general populace etc...

 

Kurt?

Kurt is actually Turkish for Wolf, couldn't think of a planet name, thought it would do, at least in the interim.

 

First, the Adeptus Astartes is almost completely independent from the Imperium. They don't get tasked with things often.

Hmmm.... I always presumed that any act outside of their region would be at the request of the imperium in some form or other. Obviously in their own region, the chapter decides what it's going to do. Something else for me to ponder on then.

 

Second, why do they do things this way?

It's alot easier to retrieve valuable information or equipment if you haven't blown it up in a firefight.

 

It's Codex. A 26th Founding Chapter which the High Lords were very careful about the founding? Codex.

Lol, good point.

[Octavulg]

A constant problem with my spelling. I'm not sure why, I've just always used that despite knowing better.

 

Know better better.

 

I apologise for the misunderstanding. Poor wording on my part. It's not the founding as such, just the Blood Wolves, and I'm refering to the 26th founding obviously. The original members wouldn't remember as the High Lords wouldn't want them to remember they were part of the Blood Angels, due to the whole experiment.

 

Oh, no, I get that it's just the Blood Wolves. It's just still implausible.

 

It'd be easier to just grab one of the "close to the Inquisition" chapters to provide the training and tell 'em they were Ultramarines, IMO.

 

Possibly, it's something to think about, though I'm still looking for them to be, fluff wise, mistaken for wolves a large part of the time. Perhaps not by other chapters, but by general populace etc...

 

Well, I doubt they wander up to the general populace and say "Hi! We're the Blood Wolves, but despite our name, we're proud descendants of the Ultramarines! Can we offer you an inverted-omega cookie?"

 

Seriously. Peasants are wrong all the time.

 

Kurt is actually Turkish for Wolf, couldn't think of a planet name, thought it would do, at least in the interim.

 

It...kinda doesn't. It's also, at least in North America, a proper name.

 

Try Lukos. It's Greek for wolf.

 

Hmmm.... I always presumed that any act outside of their region would be at the request of the imperium in some form or other. Obviously in their own region, the chapter decides what it's going to do. Something else for me to ponder on then.

 

Well, you just explained it: at the request of the Imperium. They do what they want, when they want, and pretty much where they want.

 

It's alot easier to retrieve valuable information or equipment if you haven't blown it up in a firefight.

 

Well, yes. But the idea is that you explain that in the section. And explain why they worry about these things.

[CKO]

The urban warfare is fine several chapters specialize in certain areas. However if their brothers are suffering from Black Rage and Red Thirst I am pretty sure they would investigate and come to the conclusion of where their gene seed comes from.

[Wolfy1322]

Taken from the BA Codex

He may believe he is Sanguinius upon the eve of his destruction

 

If noone shouts out that they are Sanguinius, the black rage, and the red thirst can easily be interpreted as madness, insanity, bloodlust, zeal, or even heresy, among others. It may cause some to question, and some others perhaps to question correctly, but it by no means outs them as Blood Angels. And again, the point of this "fluff wise" isn't to hide them as much from other chapters, but to hide thier lineage from themselves. It's just easier served if noone else knows either. Also B lood Angels are increasingly seclusive, keeping away from other chapters, most chapters probably couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Simply for not knowing, The Blood Angels after all, keep to themselves predominately. And they certainly don't go around announcing that they have a very strong thirst for blood. Or that they have a full company that believes they are a Primarch.

 

Well, yes. But the idea is that you explain that in the section. And explain why they worry about these things.

This has just made alot of what I wrote make sense. I'll write up another addendum shortly explaining (hopefully) how.

 

 

1.) What is the theme of this chapter? The central idea that they are built around?

Protectors of Knowledge

2.) Where is this chapter? Do they have a unique planet or system that they care about and defend or sally forth from?

Hive World. Sgil.

3.) Who does this chapter primarily fight? Their central antagonist can be a big driving force in the development of a chapter.

Chaos and Traitor guard.

4.) How do they see the Emperor,

He whose knowledge should be protected

the Imperium,

The curators of the knowledge that needs protection.

and the common man of the galaxy?

Those who live due to the knowledge that they protect.

5.) What gets them out of bed in the morning? What is their motivation? Do they want to protect the galaxy? Destroy Man's enemies? Make a name for themselves?

Protection of the knowledge of the Imperium.

6.) What makes your chapter unique? What is/are the main thing(s) that separates your chapter from the other 999 out there?

The Blood Wolves see themselves as protectors, though not in the most traditional sense, they don't protect worlds, bar their own, they don't protect people, again bar they're own. They protect knowledge. Many records have been lost during the Imperium's existence, including thier own hereditry. They have vowed to never let knowledge of that sort, or any other important to the imperium or astartes be lost again. A monumental task, that they may not be able to completely fulfill, but something that they strive to uphold.

 

 

Battlecry: Said before battle. "That which is lost, is now gone forever. That which has been stolen, is now awaiting retrieval.

[Shinzaren]

Next time you supply critiscim, try to make it constructive, instead of just saying this is all crap, your rubbish, perhaps, like Shinzaren has done, give examples as to why, and examples of what could possibly be better.

 

Wait, am I the bad example here? I was not trying to be. I never said any idea was rubbish, and I always tried to raise my thoughts in the form a question, as each area was one that I was confused with, or had issue with and wanted more clarification on, especially from your point of view. If I came across as lambasting your ideas without providing anything positive, I apologize. That was never my intent.

 

Now that you've outlined a bit about your guys, and given a theme and the direction they are gonna take, they seem much interesting to me. Keepers of Knowledge is good, especially if their own origins are a mystery. Reads a bit like the Blood Ravens, but much interesting, especially as a psychological experiment. Plus, ya know, Wolves are way cooler than Blood Ravens. The only issue I wonder about is the Battle Cry. Lost and Stolen are very close, and in the Imperium almost the same. With the poor record keeping and all, it seems like it would be very hard to differentiate between Lost and Stolen. Perhaps:

 

"That which is Lost is gone forever. That which can be found, will be returned." Maybe?

[Octavulg]

Next time you supply critiscim, try to make it constructive, instead of just saying this is all crap, your rubbish, perhaps, like Shinzaren has done, give examples as to why, and examples of what could possibly be better.

 

He did not say that. Indeed, he always explained himself with reasonable clarity and politeness. Shinzaren is, generally, rather more polite than I am. Indeed, if you said the above about me, I might wax full wrothful and smite thee with vocabulary and sarcasm. His restraint impresses me.

 

All singling him out does is make you look overly defensive and unable to take criticism well. Which has the effect of discouraging others from providing you with feedback.

 

If you don't agree with what he says, that's fine. But attacking him for it does you no good.

[Wolfy1322]

No Shinzaren, your not the bad example, your the one who actually gave constructive critisiscm, with example an' such. Leonaides was the one I was refering to for just being harsh with no reason. I apologise that wasn't more clear. Reading it back, I should have put a . after rubbish, instead of a ,. Sorry. In fact other than the very last line which was edited in, that entire post was directed to Leonaides.

 

The reason for the battlecry, is that they consider things that are already lost to litterally be gone forever, but things that have been stolen/taken what have you, are simply in someone elses possesion and can be returned. As an example, their records are lost, and can't (to thier knowledge) be retrieved. If your HD fails and there's no back up, your not gonna get everything back. Whereas, if Chaos overruns a colony of some sort which has something of importance, they can retrieve it. Though your suggestion is quite good. I'm just a little cautious of having them effectively hunt for things, as that would lead them to hunt for thier origins, which is something I don't think would be wise to do at this juncture.

[Myxx]

Battlecry: Said before battle. "That which is lost, is now gone forever. That which has been stolen, is now awaiting retrieval.

 

Kinda long for a battlecry. More of a battle-phrase, perhaps. How about "YAAARRRR, BOOOOOOKS!" :devil:

 

Seriously, I still like the idea, and have no problem with any kind og CQB/Urban combat specialization. Lots of units are specialized on one area but can operate above-average in any. (Shoot, even according to the C:SM Devastators and Scouts are specialized troops but can utilize all kinds of different equipment to complete the mission at hand.)

 

And as for the keeping the gene-seed mysterious, there is a possibility that they may guess wrong. Everything in the 40k universe does not happen in a bubble. If they have brothers falling to the thirst or the rage, and incorrectly assume they are some long lost Khorne-berzerker successor, it could have disastrous consequences.

 

To close, I like it and will keep following your work. Carry on.

[Shinzaren]

No Shinzaren, your not the bad example, your the one who actually gave constructive critisiscm, with example an' such.

Ahh, well no worries. I would make a gentle suggestion that you not take anything said too personally. Everyone on the boards that takes the time to respond to this is generally doing it to make your IA better. Some are less gentle*cough cough*Octavulg's Bowling Ball*cough cough* :devil: , but they are all aiming for the same thing. Don't call out specific people, and try not to focus on the negatives. Just pull what positive ideas you can from each response and try to see how you address their concerns.

/rant off.

 

Next time you supply critiscim, try to make it constructive; instead of just saying this is all crap, or you're rubbish. Perhaps, like Shinzaren has done, give examples as to why, and examples of what could possibly be better.

Fixed that for ya :)

 

 

Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion: You tie your Chapter to the Inquisition? This would serve two purposes.

1.) As your chapter is a big psyche experiment, it would allow Inquisitors to keep an eye on you, without being crazy obvious about it.

2.) It would give you a place to put all this knowledge you recover and protect. Chapters retrieving info and being very secretive with it have been done already.(See Blood Ravens) Perhaps, as a change of pace, you make friends with some Inquisitors and you help them retrieve stuff from time to time.

 

Gives you a chance to play nice with the big =][=, which is rare, and it gives the Inquisition a solid way to "spy" on your marines. Not only that, but you can still go off and do Marine stuff as your Chapter Master wills, but it gives you a chance to do something else. Don't make your chapter completely subservient to any Ordo, as they have their own Chamber Militants for that, but have them work closely with them. That way, if you get in trouble, or your pursuit of knowledge takes you to places that would normally get you in trouble, your awesome Inquisitor buddies will back you up when their colleagues come asking questions.

 

Again, just a suggestion, but one that fits your ideas so far. You wanna be protectors of knowledge, and you want to be a HLoT psyche experiment. This does fit both. I'm sure others or yourself can come up with other scenarios as well. This was just the first one to spring to my small and feeble mind.

[Wolfy1322]

How about "YAAARRRR, BOOOOOOKS!"

Lol, I'll keep it in mind. :D

 

 

Thanks Shinzaren, I'll keep the Inquisitor allies in mind. Now to try and put what I have together, and make some proper sense out of it all.

 

Oh and I've came up with, what I think is a better name for my homeworld. Sgil, which is Scottish Gaelic for Knowledge.

Which as a literal viewing would mean that they live in knowledge.

[Guest Mordray]

Alright this is why the quote tags accept ="name"...

 

for example:

This is a test of better posting... this is only a test.

 

edit: note to self... never respond to a thread that's been left open for more then a few minutes without refreshing...

[Ecritter]

We talked about this before and I really like the BA but not BA twist, but as its written they've 'forgotten' what geneseed they come from and you also make it seem as if they never knew. It can't really be both, you can't forget what you never knew.

 

I still say it would throw off speculation just to have them told they had a different geneseed. Without that, they're always going to be looking as is every other chapter, et al.

[Wolfy1322]

I still say it would throw off speculation just to have them told they had a different geneseed. Without that, they're always going to be looking as is every other chapter, et al.

 

Perhaps, but that would remove thier reason for protecting knowledge. The reason that they're doin this after all, is to prevent the same thing from happening again. Now obviously thier records are not really lost, but they don't know that. And they're not Blood Ravens, they're not doing it for selfish reasons, they're not looking to uncover thier past, but rather to protect future chapters from ever having to search for thier own past. As the see it, they have no idea where thier records could be, and presume that someone somewhere, if they had that information would provide it. Instead it has been "lost" which to them means it's gone forever. As opposed to something stolen by say Orks. They then know that the Orks have it, and have some idea as to where to start a search to retrieve it.

 

As for forgetting something they never knew, if the original members where BA, wouldn't it be wise to alter thier memories, or set up a situation to cause memory loss to avoid them remembering. If you don't remember something, how can you be sure you ever knew it?

[Ecritter]

And what of every other chapter, the AdMech, the Inquisition, et al. They will still be curious of a loyal chapter with no knowledge of who they are. Everyone knows that Terra knows who they are, with a secret you just make others ask ... WHY?

[Leonaides]

Ok, I'll try to not make too many leaps of logic and spend longer on being more polite this time.

 

When practically every weapon they use is an expolosive of some sort, how can they use as few as possible? As marines, they arent going to burst through a door and hose the room beyond without careful targetting. That sort of behaviour will end up with penance for lax targetting procedures.

 

And if you want to go down the BA but not knowing it route - consider that IA 9 suggests that the BA had knowledge of, if not a direct involvement in, what was done to the Lamenters. Possibly testing out something that they believed might cure them.

[Wolfy1322]

Given that your paraphrasing Imperial Armour, I'll respond in kind. Not all ammo types are explosive, go look up Stalker silenced shell in IA2

In fact don't bother, I'll quote it.

Stalker Silenced shell - Propellant base and conventional charge replaced by gas cartridges for silent low velocity firing. Fuse and explosive charge replaced by solidified mercury slug.

It's likely that changes could also be made to grenades, resulting in fewer explosions, but with basically the same result, or disorientation.

Such as EMP, or the 40K equivalent of a flash bang.

Also, targets move, as awesome as marines are, sometimes thier target moves, and they *Gasp* don't hit the intended target.

 

As far as the Blood Angels being involved or knowing about a successor chapter, that's great, but has little relevence to my chapter. The Blood Angels aren't aware of it, largely due to the experimentation, which is, Keep all knowledge of them being Blood Angels away from them. The blood Angels, outside of being the geneseed that is used have no involvement in this, notr do they need to have any involvement. The blood Angels aren't asked if they would like a new chapter created based on thier geneseed. They may be told as a matter of courtesy that it is being used. But they don't have to be told anything.

 

Think of it this way, the High Lords run a sperm bank which has the primarchs geneseed. If you gave your seed to a sperm bank, would you be told that you now have a new child everytime it was used? No, of course not. Likewise the Blood Angels don't have to be told every time.

 

@Ecritter:

Why would any chapter bother to find information on them? They're not heretics, and haven't, so far at least given any cause for concern. People only look for something, when they have a reason. The most that would happen is that someone would check to see if they were loyal. The High Lords would likely have to be contacted about it, and can easily fob people off with various excuses, such as the paper work needs to be filled out, my boss isn't here and he's the only one that can get that information, etc... As for the Inquisition, of course they'd be asking questions. Hell they'd be asking questions even if they did know. Not sure why the AdMech would care either though. I don't imagine they'd worry too much about which geneseed was used, and rather more on how they see the chapter on it's own. (Are they Iron hands? Nope. Then why are you bothering me?)

 

Think about it, out of all the people you meet in your day to day lives, how many did you ask where thier parents were from, at the get go. I'm guessing not many, if any at all. Perhaps those friends who are of visually a different race than you, or who sounded drastically different through thier accent, but if not, you probably wouldn't ask, and would just assume that they're from nearby.

[Shinzaren]

Not to take sides, but the Stalker pattern boltgun and Stalker shells are pretty rare, and are hardly the norm. It's a fact that your marines will be using explosives. Perhaps it would be better to state that they are more careful with demolitions. Nearly all demolitions are explosive, but not all explosives are demolitions. This phrasing would be more in line with how you view them as being real careful not to destroy potential knowledge sources. They don't use lots of frags, breaching charges, or high yield explosives, and their use of heavy ordinance, like vehicular based ordinance would be lessened a bit. Still, I'm not sure if it's necessary to mention this at all. Maybe just say,

 

"The Blood Wolves are much more careful when operating in theaters of war that may include potential sources of knowledge or information, limiting their use of high-explosives and heavy ordinance that could potentially destroy the very thing they are seeking out. Even fragmentation grenade use is curtailed, as this rather small explosion is still capable of damaging or destroying valuable knowledge."

[Wolfy1322]

Not sure where you've read that it's rare. Granted I don't imagine many chapters making large scale use of them, but given the fewer components, it'd be easier to make for the AdMech, or the chapters forges. Given that it'd allow them to cause less collateral damage, and that it'd allow a greater degree of suppression. You can't run from a target if you don't know where the shot came from. It'd make sense for them to use these varients almost exclusively.

 

That's not to say that they'll never use standard variants, or even to say that they never use explosives. I never said either. As mentioned in an earlier post, with such a small ammount of troops moving out at any one time, surely a handful of squads could be equipped with these variants, instead of the standard pattern and ammo.

[Shinzaren]

It's not rare in the sense that it's hard to make, or hard to use. It's rare, because of the downsides. Stalker pattern bolt-guns are great for night fights, or battles where discretion is key. However, in 99% of the battles that Space Marines are called to fight, discretion is pointless. They are shock and awe, get in, get the job done, get out. For that, they need the most firepower possible, which is why they use the Godwyn pattern bolter and it's gigantic mass reactive shell. Stalker shells would most likely be ineffective against the power armor of another Space Marine, or Traitor legionnaire, which is important, because that is who you want your guys to fight.

 

I'm not saying that you should discard the Stalker. I'm suggesting that you don't make it the norm. Certainly you could have your kill teams equipped with it, and your "recovery" teams, but not your entire army. You would be much less effective when fighting the enemies of the Imperium if you did, and no marine wants to be ineffective.

 

This is all just semantics and overtly detailed jibba jabba now though, which you have a habit of doing. Don't latch on to one point of one thing I said. The general outline of my post had nothing to do with the Stalker. It focused more on rewording your explosives use. I only mentioned the Stalker, because you were using it as THE example of a weapon that wasn't explosive. Refocus your attention, good or bad, on the thoughts about how to make the lack of explosives them easier to understand. Please :)

[Wolfy1322]

Fair point, I wasn't meaning to rant on. The main reason I used the Stalker as an example was due to it not being explosive, and being the only alternative I had info on at that time. In fact what you've suggested is basically an in detail version of what I originally said. They use as few explosives as possible. I'll think it over, I like your description of it, I just don't want to copy it word for word as such. But the thought behind it is sound.

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Think of it this way, the High Lords run a sperm bank which has the primarchs geneseed. If you gave your seed to a sperm bank, would you be told that you now have a new child everytime it was used? No, of course not. Likewise the Blood Angels don't have to be told every time.

 

To play devils advocate here, why would the High Lords deem it necessary to not tell the Blood Angels that another chapter had been created from their geneseed? I mean, the Blood Angels (and by extension every other First Founding chapter) has an exorbitant amount of political and military clout within the Imperium. To do something that would generally piss these people off, one of the longest standing, most respected and sought out defenders of Humanity in the entire galaxy seems a bit counter-intuitive. Even the High Lords are subject, at least in some manner or other to the wishes of these chapters since they have been around for so long and, as I said, carry a lot of weight.

 

Regular chapters may not carry quite the same amount of oomph to affect the decisions of the High Lords but a first founding chapter?

 

 

Why would any chapter bother to find information on them? They're not heretics, and haven't, so far at least given any cause for concern.

 

 

Again to play the advocate. It largely depends on the chapter that's looking at them. Everyone knows the Blood Angels and many of their successors due to them having been around since year zero. It's all personal interpretation as to how far another chapter would go. There are many other chapters and other organizations who have refused to fight beside the Blood Angels, despite their history.

 

It's not so much about gathering information. Chapters aren't intelligence agencies. However, they would make a decision based on the facts available to them. If your marines seemed unstable they might start asking awkward questions of you, yes indeed. That's not good for you. Also, the Inquisition has, so far as I know, looked into the Blood Angels and their successors before, just as they have a lot of other chapters and the Adeptus Astartes are one of the most regularly monitored institutions around by the most powerful of Imperial organizations.

 

The most that would happen is that someone would check to see if they were loyal.

 

Honestly, the Astartes know as well as anyone else how slow to act the Imperium is, which is why they operate outside of the normal Imperial infastructure. They are essentially not a part of the larger empire, just like the Adeptus Mechanicus aren't, just a closely allied entity. Yes they rely on the Imperium a lot, but they are independant nonetheless. If another chapter had some serious doubts about your chapters legitimacy they would likely outright ask your marines just what was going on. If they didn't recieve an answer they liked, depending on the chapter they may well try to force the issue. They aren't known for their tolerance to being dicked around.

 

As for the Inquisition, of course they'd be asking questions. Hell they'd be asking questions even if they did know.

 

This is the big problem though, the Inquisition can prosecute anyone, from High Cardinal to Chapter Master and, if one particular Inquisitor holds enough sway I'd wager that even the High Lords aren't beyond their reach, despite political manuevering and such. The last time geneseed was tampered with at the cursed founding, while all records are now destroyed I can probably be fairly safe in the assumption that many heads did roll during the fallout from such a mess.

 

If the Inquisition don't know, they would be asking some serious questions of your chapter. If they didn't get the answer they wanted, they may well have them destroyed. I can't remember where the quote is from and I don't have all my old codexes anymore but I'm sure there is a quote somewhere about the Blood Angels being investigated repeatedly and only being turned aside from destruction because of their legacy.

 

If they do know about your chapter then I would assume they would be watching them carefully. You draw the short straw on the Inquisitor that is investigating you (keep in mind that the Inquisition is not one cohesive body and that even though one Inquisitor might be tolerant of your chapter, another one may not) you're not looking at any sort of decent treatment.

 

 

 

To be clear, I do like the concept behind this, I'm just taking the opportunity to play devils advocate here, which is pretty much what C&C is for.

[Shinzaren]

Edit: Damnit, While I was posting here half a thread got posted. Well, that leaves me in the crap doesn't it. I'll edit this with some more relevant... something.

 

BWAHAHAHA! : :)

 

Also, I posted it that way so you COULD copy it word for word :) That way, I can't harp on that paragraph at all in later drafts. And neither can Grey! Muahahaha.

[Wolfy1322]

Aww, but then what will you have to harp on about. You need something to do in this thread. :)

[Shinzaren]

Aww, but then what will you have to harp on about. You need something to do in this thread. :)

 

Something tells me that won't be an issue :)