Blood Wolves

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

That way, I can't harp on that paragraph at all in later drafts. And neither can Grey! Muahahaha.

 

You're not meant to help him Shinzaren! He's the enemy! :)

 

Aww, but then what will you have to harp on about. You need something to do in this thread.

 

Oh don't you worry, we'll be back. Sooner than you'd like too I'm sure. :)

[Shinzaren]

Last derailment of the thread, I promise :)

 

Grey, shouldn't you be working on your Blazing Sons? Mush boy! Mush!

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Grey, shouldn't you be working on your Blazing Sons? Mush boy! Mush!

 

Well it's 7:36am and I haven't been to sleep yet so I don't think it's a terribly good idea to work on them at the moment. I think going to sleep should be better. That also might help me not miss out on half a threads worth of posts while commenting. Bugger it. :)

 

Edit: I did actually re-edit my other post with some pertinent arguments by the way. :)

[Leonaides]

What i meant with teh reference to the Lmaneters was that maybe the first 2 marines DID know that they were BA's, and DIDNT tell the new marines. Maybe they were a chaplain and a Sang priest who were there to teach the marines the mental conditioning to resist the rage, and to keep a chekc on their development and growth as marines but were specifically not to tell the new marine chapter that they were BAs. Given the idiosyncracies of the BA system of marine creation (a bit of a giveaway that they chapter is a BA successor BTW - you'll need to work on that also), it would make sense ot have a BA apothecary involved who knows the geneseed and implantation/insanguination process and achalpain who can guide them through the conditioning to resist the thirst, na dcan acto to segregate any who appear to be falling, so that they do not blab something rather incriminating to their brethren. then something goes wrong. One is killed and one incapacitated, laving the new chapter totally clueless and without their original guiding hands - a rudderless ship adrift in the Imperium if you will - trying to chart a course through the warfare, and through their destructive genecurse wihtout a full roadmap of what's happening to them.

 

Another issue you'd have to work around is the fact that High Chaplain Bob knows when BA's (and successors) are falling to the rage, and he travels to them to execute them. He would eventually feel the pull of this new chapter. It is much easier to explain these things if you paint teh BA's in teh same light as the faceless Beurocrats who decided to create a giant experiment and use these marines as labrats... If the BA's are involved then their involvement can be disguised as inquisitorial henchmen to teh new chapter, who thus would stay none-the-wiser about their origins.

 

But thats all - I'll leave you to your other posters now.

[Wolfy1322]

The point of the experiment is to avoid all possible blood angel contamination, save for the geneseed. The insanguination isn't an absolute must, much like the blooding from the space wolves, it's simply the way the BA choose to speed up the process. The geneseed can easily do all of it's intended purpose on it's own without that. Agains, another factor in the is it a madness thing, or the geneseed. Remove the blood of the primarch and mayhaps the black rage and red thirst will be removed also. Why would they have a chaplain who knows how to deal with the thirst? Again, this stems back to, it's an experiment. remove as much from current BA succesors/chapters leave only the gene seed and see how much of the current issues remain. If they succumb to the red thirst, or the black rage, then clearly the experiment shows it's not the case. Again, try to remember that it's an experiment. If they don't succumb to black rage, then Astaroth would be none the wiser. Then they can return at a later date, with as much info as the need, and say, "Hey Blood Angels, stop using your primarchs blood, or stop telling stories about when he died." or whatever the reason is for those flaws manifesting, and viola the BA are cured. Of course that won't happen, but try to think of it as an experiment, you don't want everyone knowing what your doing, the BA would likely balk at the idea of a succesor not getting insaguinated. Basically the High Lords are taking a chance, one that could ultimately save an entire chapter along with it's successors. But it means a huge change in how they would percieve things and do things. No Blood Angel would be happy with that, regardless, it's basically throwing out all of thier beliefs and traditions. But if you came to them with results and said, these things are causing your decline, tehy'd be pissed at first, but then realise that they can continue.

 

 

As for Astaroth, yes, at some point, he would likely get that little nudge. But that's of course again if everything is linked through the geneseed and not the memories and blood.

 

The basic deal is that the High Lords wouldn't want the BA to know about it, it causes problems that aren't nessecary. Will it cause problems fluff wise later down the road. Of course. Then the BA would begin to wonder why the High lords done it, and a whole new story would start. Would he Blood Wolves join the Angels, or renounce thier own heritage. Why wrap everything up in a nice little bow? It's much more fun to have problems. It could give reason for clashes between them, it would give call for inquisitors to investigate. It would cause political upheaval, possibly fracturing the already delicate balance between adeptus and imperium. It's hardly the first chapter to potentially do that.

 

Bottom line is that this is an experiment, it has to be controlled. It may take some time for the effects to subside, it may not. If it was just something of, make a new BA, don't tell him who he is and see how he does in a week, let me know if he's mad. There wouldn't be a chapter. The reason that it's a full chapter is to have a proper observation, make sure there is enough time to validate everything, and also ensure there are no outside influences.

 

 

Regardless, thanks for putting the explantion up this time. I'll admit I hadn't read up on Astaroth, so wasn't entirely aware of his homing pigeon ability. And before anyone chimes in, I am perfectly aware that the red thirst and black rage are genetic mutation of the Blood Angel geneseed, I am in no way claiming otherwise, or attempting to magically cure them. Just trying to create an interesting story.

 

 

Edit: GHY, I welcome a devils advocate, happy to hear both sides of things, I only realised you had updated that post just now, so not had a huge ammount of time to absorb all the details.

 

I do have a question, for, well whoever wants to answer actually. With regards to the inquisition. Situation is that one member of the blood wolves is about to find out who they're from. Would a puritan prevent them from finding out, if that's what they were tasked to do, ie, kill them? Or would he avoid it as it's not exactly heretical? It's something that has a basis on whether and how I would involve the inquisition.

 

Also on a seperate note, can someone point me to a well organised layout of an IA on the forums, just so I can try to make things a bit easier to pick out?

[Shinzaren]

The basic issue I think Leo has is that you are making a pretty big leap here. The only way to keep Astaroth, and by extension, the Blood Angels out of this experiment, is to basically declare, here and now, that the Flaw is solely psychological, and not based at all in the gene-seed. Which is of course going to make a lot of Liberites balk. Perhaps I misunderstood your intent, and perhaps I misunderstood Leo's, but this is how I see it.

 

The only way to keep the Blood Angels and the Imperium at large from figuring out that they are BA successors is to write, in your fluff, that the Flaw is not gene-seed based. That the Blood Wolves do suffer increased aggression, but do not suffer Sanguinus based hallucinations and so on, and by extension of that, that Astaroth does not feel the Flaw from your Marines. Which, is possible, as technically your IA is its own universe until you link it to another. Still, purists will balk. But, instead of challenging this assumption and fighting it tooth and nail, embrace it.

 

The Imperium at large, or at least those in the know, suspect them of being BA successors and having the Flaw. However, the Blood Wolves deny this, claiming their own Primarch, one of the Loyalist Primarchs that ISN'T Sanguinus. After all, this is what they have been told by the High Lords of Terra. They refute the Blood Angels claims, and they deny Astaroth access to their Marines, as is their right. It would set up a great on going story-line with the BAs, and give you lots of fun things to play on. Perhaps, the HLoT themselves, wanting to maintain this experiment, continually tell them that the Blood Angels are lying, playing the two Chapters against each other. If you tie yourself to the Inquisition, this would lend it even greater gravitas, as your Wolves would be friends/allies with Inquisitors, and thus, be more trusting.

 

I hope I explained that well enough, and hopefully I was kinda getting what Leo was talking about.

 

EDIT:

I do have a question, for, well whoever wants to answer actually. With regards to the inquisition. Situation is that one member of the blood wolves is about to find out who they're from. Would a puritan prevent them from finding out, if that's what they were tasked to do, ie, kill them? Or would he avoid it as it's not exactly heretical? It's something that has a basis on whether and how I would involve the inquisition.

This is at the discretion of the individual Inquisitor, and can't be summarized this way. Generally Marines are too valuable to kill and will be mind scrubbed. Not to mention that killing a marine is generally like declaring war on the Chapter, though the =][= could probably get away with it. The bigger issue is that marines rarely operate alone, and if one is gonna find out, more than one will. However, it just depends on the Inquisitor in question. They all wield unlimited power, so if they don't like how something is going, they can do whatever they want to remove it.

[Shinzaren]

If they do know about your chapter then I would assume they would be watching them carefully. You draw the short straw on the Inquisitor that is investigating you (keep in mind that the Inquisition is not one cohesive body and that even though one Inquisitor might be tolerant of your chapter, another one may not) you're not looking at any sort of decent treatment.

 

Just to be the Devil's Advocate to Grey's Advocacy:

 

This could work the other way as well. If you make nice with Inquisitors, they will defend you. The equal to an Inquisitor, is another Inquisitor of equal political clout. If you do favors for them, they will generally remember that, especially if it's a big favor. This ties in excellently to your seeking out knowledge. Retrieve valuable knowledge for an Inquisitor or two, and you will find helpful allies willingly to go to bat for you. Example:

 

1.) You retrieve the Liber Flatulence for Inquisitor A. Much feasting and celebrating ensues, and bonds of brotherhood and friendship are sworn.

2.) Due to reports of corruption/uncoolness(a capital offense) Inquisitor B. is sent to investigate, with his giant obsidian =][= polished and ready. He doesn't care too much one way or the other, and will give the facts as he sees them.

3.) Inquisitor B owes Inquisitor A a favor, and Inquisitor A calls that favor in. He tells Inquisitor B how amazing the Blood Wolves are, how hard they party, and how generally cool they can be. He does this while pointedly reminding Inquisitor B of the size of the favor owed, and how debts are a terrible thing in the Imperium.

4.) Inquisitor B clears A of his favor, and tell his boss that the Blood Wolves are the coolest guys around. They decide this is solid enough evidence and they leave the Blood Wolves alone.

5.) More feasting and celebrating in the coolness of the Blood Wolves.

 

Now, this is a simplified example, obviously, but it goes to show that political favors and clout are more important than facts. That being said, this is not to say that your chapter is immune to judgement based on the protection of one or more Inquisitors. If you do something stupid enough, something heinous enough, or something so far outside the OK Zone, there is nothing anyone can do to protect you, and you will Burn.

[Wolfy1322]

OK, replying to the first post you made Shinzaren. (Not THE first) In the second paragraph you suggest that the flaw isn't based on the geneseed, which given the circumstances is fair enough. But, if that were to be taken as fact for purposes of the IA, then it would negate the 3rd paragraph, as the BA would have no reason to give the BW a second glance, and Astaroth wouldn't even get all tingly near them.

To have the BA and by extension Astaroth involved they need a reason to be sceptical, Astaroth for example feeling all tingly in the direction of the BW. The BW denying access etc.. All that hinges on the thirst and rage still being there, without that, they're just an aggresive bunch of marines, which let's be honest is hardly unique.

 

 

Thanks for the info on the Inquisitors, I actually had a scene in my head as to why the marine was alone, so that's not as bothersome as it could be. I had figured some stuff like the politics etc would go on, in fact I was actually thinking about putting in an Inquisitor that doesn't want to play nice, simply because of who we were friends with. Not got that fleshed out to any degree so far though.

[Ecritter]

The point of the experiment is to avoid all possible blood angel contamination, save for the geneseed.

 

I still say the easiest way for the High Lords to do this is to start a chapter with ... say a Ultramarine Successor cadre, tell them they have UM geneseed and see how it goes. There is no question from anyone in the Imperium then. So the High Lords experiment can go unquestioned.

[Shinzaren]

The point of the experiment is to avoid all possible blood angel contamination, save for the geneseed.

 

I still say the easiest way for the High Lords to do this is to start a chapter with ... say a Ultramarine Successor cadre, tell them they have UM geneseed and see how it goes. There is no question from anyone in the Imperium then. So the High Lords experiment can go unquestioned.

 

 

I agree completely with Ecritter. Have them be lead by an initial training cadre, with a non-Sanguinus primarch, and you will save a lot of hassle, plus your experiment remains intact.

[Wolfy1322]

Which isn't a bad idea by any means, just that it has a large critical flaw in this setup. The fact that they don't know who thier Primarch is, is the catalyst for why they protect knowledge. If they have a primarch, and everything is "supposedly" known, then they'd have no reason to protect any knowledge. And as such, the theme would fall apart.

 

Much like the Blood Ravens lack of origin has led them to pursue a quest to find out about thiers, the Blood Wolves lack of origin has put them in a quest to prevent that kind of thing being lost in the first place for future generations/adeptus/whatever.

 

Now as an added note, with reference to the Blood Ravens. They have an unusually high number of psykers. Yet, few chapters bat an eyelid at them. They have been accused of being successors of Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Raven guard have been thrown around into the mix. Now given that the geneseed could likely be tested by the Imperium to find out which they are successors of, why hasn't this been done? The presumption is that the Ravens have refused to allow access to thier seed. Regardless of the likely large ammounts of inquistors poking they're nose in, they still haven't been outed as whatever geneseed heritage they have. Despite being a potential devestating threat to the imperium and the astartes. Yes, it's likely that some chapters would be very wary of them, others may blatantly accuse them of being heretics. But they're still around, still doing they're thing. It's very possible that they are successors to Thousand sons, given thier large ammount of psykers, that kind of a connection, is alot more serious than being connected to BA.

 

The reason that I'm using Ravens as an example, is that the 2 are very similar (unintentionally) and as such, similar issues come up. The largest difference is that the BW origins are known by the High Lords, and likely other parts of the imperium as well, where as, as far as is understood, no one knows about the ravens. What would you have issue with first, the origin less chapter that have a blood lust in a fight, or the origin less chapter full of psykers?

[Ecritter]

If thats the case, and I'm almost afraid to say it, then have the only other chapter with no Primarch train them. Yes you will still get a hassle from everyone for using the Grey Knights ... but they have no Primarch either.

 

As to the BRs, do they not donate to the geneseed bank?

[Shinzaren]

Starting at the end, and working forward. Blood Ravens are a terrible example. Yes, you share common goals, but as a Chapter, there are lots of things wrong with them. Created as the main characters for the Dawn of War series, they were not an original GW table-top army. All of the fluff for them kinda sucks, and I hate that they have all these psykers, mutations running wild, and are generally just themselves. Be like them only in that you share knowledge. Never use the Blood Ravens as justification for anything you are doing, as they are protected by the money clause. Anything dealing with them makes GW money, and so fluff can be skewed vastly here.

 

Now, as to your idea that your theme wouldn't work with them being told they were Ultramarines, why not? Just because I know who my parents are doesn't mean I don't wanna learn about history, and the rest of the world. There are literally hundreds of reasons they follow this path, and none of them need to have anything to do with who their progenitor is. For example:

 

1.) Their first chapter master stumbled across a lost STC(minor one), and when it was returned to Mars, they showed their gratitude with something awesome. Wanting more awesome stuff, and generally wanting to satisfy the other allies of the Imperium, they now hunt tech and info. (This is a AdMech centric example, but it does work)

2.) Inquisitor A comes and orders them to go get some lost knowledge for him. They do so, and they realize that they have a thirst for knowledge. By working with Inquisitor A, they gain a valuable ally and they are able to pursue something that interests them.

3.) While fighting Chaos Marines of the Zth Legion, they discover an ancient data repository, with records of the Emperor and Primarch X, their Primarch. They take this data and examine it, realizing that this data repository is one of several, and, wanting to know more about their Primarch and their Emperor, they patrol the stars for the others.

4.) Battling the Eldar of Craftworld Zyxw, the Blood Wolves capture Eldar ruins that are hidden underneath Imperial ones. Ordo Xenos Inquisitor C demands access, and when given it, asks that you kindly go find more cool Eldar stuff for him.

 

Because of the universe of 40k, so much is unknown. Your thirst for knowledge can take many many many paths, and each one can be unique. You can search for forbidden tech, lost records, daemonic knowledge, Xenos archives, etc etc. All these are fonts of knowledge, and not a single one deals with their Primarch. In your case, you want the mystery as an internal driver, but it raises more problems than it satisfies. Having them being driven by an external force works cleaner, and is, in my opinion, more realistic. Especially given your psyche experiment idea. Everyone answers to someone, and the Blood Wolves benefit by working for/with Inquisitors, AdMech, etc etc. There's no downside there, at least that I can see, though this is wholly my own opinion and thoughts.

[Shinzaren]

If thats the case, and I'm almost afraid to say it, then have the only other chapter with no Primarch train them. Yes you will still get a hassle from everyone for using the Grey Knights ... but they have no Primarch either.

 

Please. Please. Please do not do this. This is a hugely bad idea, and would destroy any last bit of suspension of disbelief.

[Ecritter]

If thats the case, and I'm almost afraid to say it, then have the only other chapter with no Primarch train them. Yes you will still get a hassle from everyone for using the Grey Knights ... but they have no Primarch either.

 

Please. Please. Please do not do this. This is a hugely bad idea, and would destroy any last bit of suspension of disbelief.

 

Well .... I did say I was almost afraid to say it.

[Ace Debonair]

Hang on a minute.

I thought nobody but the BA and their successors knew anything about the Black Rage and all that stuff.*

 

So how the dickens did the High Lords find out about it to conduct an experiment in the first place? :D

 

EDIT: *Please note, I don't have the new BA codex or anything - So I could be wrong. :lol:

Worth checking, in either case.

[Wolfy1322]

The red thirst/black rage is the very reason that they limit how much BA geneseed they use to start chapters now. Can't remember if I read that in the BA codex, or on these forums somewhere though.

 

I'll take your thoughts into consideration Shinzaren and Ecritter, though perhaps not the Grey Knights suggestion :P

Gonna write some stuff up, and see how it works at that point.

[Ecritter]

Perhaps they're told they have UM geneseed ... but deep down they know its not true?

 

Not really trying to stifle your creativity, just trying to be helpful. Best of luck.

[Guest Mordray]

Mind you I can't recall exact details nor source points... however here is what I know about the High Lords and the Blood Angels...

 

The Black Rage (known outside of the 'legion' as berzerker fury) and Red Thirst (known outside of the 'legion' as a dendency to drink blood, both enemy and personal) and in a few cases the eating of human flesh (not so unusual save that it appears to occur within the 'legion' more then with other chapters) are suspected to be linked to their gene-seed given the tendencies of 'successor' chapters displaying these traits.

 

Now then... now that that bit of history is out of the way and brought to the fore of my mind...

 

The Space Wolves use something called the canis helix(possibly spelled wrong) to fully activate their gene-seed this is/was established set in stone fluff that they needed this special helix sequence before their gene-seed would activate.

 

Blood Angels have no set in stone need for the sarcophagi nor the consumption of the 'primarchs' blood. It is known that this is what they do. However, there is no actual fluff stating that this is the only method of implanting and using their gene-seed...

 

 

 

Personally I'd say it's possible that the root source of the Black Rage and the Red Thirst is the Blood of the Primarch and Sarcophagi these two when combined so closely together could well break the marines mind and if the concept of genetic memory (in the blood) is taken into account then it is possible that the sensory deprivation and trauma of being locked into a sarcophagus for a year could well have implanted the last moments of the primach (can't remember the spelling right now...) into their damaged mind only to have these trauma's repressed by psycho-conditioning and hypno-therapy until that fateful moment when all of the barriers come crashing down...

 

 

On a side note... I might be wrong about the Red Thirst it is possible that that was developing when the 'legion' was still a proper legion. I seem to recall someone mentioning that about the HH books but I haven't read them so I'm not sure.

 

Hope this helps you Wolfy... interesting concept you've got here.

[Astral Scorpions]

Perhaps they're told they have UM geneseed ... but deep down they know its not true?

 

Not really trying to stifle your creativity, just trying to be helpful. Best of luck.

 

That is an interesting idea. Remember, both flaws are somewhat psionic in nature, a mental cry from the Primarch throughout time and space. Every Blood Wolf would be told they are sons of Guilliman, but a little voice in the back of their head (literally) would be telling them 'No you are not.'

 

As to Monday's ideas, perhaps you could get away with linking it to the Red Thirst, but definitely not the Black Rage.

[Wolfy1322]

Edit: Didn't feel like it would ultimately work.

[Wolfy1322]

Blood Wolves

Created for observation, the Blood Wolves have proved vauable in attaining knowledge. Knowledge forgotten, lost and stolen. It is the Blood Wolves sworn duty to retrieve them, and to return them to the imperium.

Origins

Blood Wolves Emblem

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5896/bloodwolves.png

The Blood Wolves origins are shrouded in secrecy and deciept. From the very beginings, this chapter was created for one reason, and one reason only, to determine if the Blood Angels were cursed, or tainted. The Blood Angels suffer at the fate of thier geneseed, which pulls at them to commit attrocious acts of violence and heresey. For most, they have kept this pull in check. Some, however have not been so lucky, and have succumb to the madness that is the red thirst. Some fall even further with the memories of Sanguinius invading thier mind. These unfortunate souls fall to the black rage. This is more than a simple thirst for blood, and completly erradicates any free will the poor soul has. Very few have survived the black rage, and fewer still have survived to exit reborn. It is these two flaws, that the Blood Wolves were set up to observe. There is a belief that these flaws are simply a byproduct of the geneseed, however, there is also thought that it has a large ammount to do with the insaguination process the Blood Angels and thier successors use, along with the tales of sanguinus' death. To this end, the High Lords of Terra have created this chapter, to be free of the practices of the Blood Angels, to attempt to ascertain whether it is indeed a geneseed flaw, or whether the Blood Angels themselves are truly heretics.

Blood Wolves Tactical Armour scheme

Official History

The Blood Wolves have a short history, due largely in part of being a 26th founding chapter. Being of Rogal Dorn geneseed, the Blood Wolves are devout in their search for lost and forgotten knowledge and technology of the Imperium. In fact, they have been so devout and succesful at recovering artifacts of various sorts, that they have an almost regular communication with the Inquisition. This partnership works well for both parties, though many other chapters dislike the Blood Wolves due to this partnership. Several other chapters are indeed sceptical of thier lineage as well, as they have the betcher's gland and sus-an membrane. Neither of which are produced by Dorn's geneseed. Nevertheless, the inquisition and the High lords maintain that they are indeed of Dorn stock.

The Blood Wolves have retrieved many terminals, and schematics for the Imperium, along with defending several outposts which held sensitive material. It was during one of these defenses that the Chapter master was wounded. They were to defend the outpost with help from another chapter, the Night Fangs. But the Night Fangs betrayed the Blood Wolves, mortally wounding the Chapter Master in the process. Later, the Night Fangs claimed no knowledge of the incident and insisted that it was a rogue company. For reasons unknown to the Blood Wolves, the Night Fangs are still considered loyal. To this day, the Blood Wolves despise being in the same system as them, let alone fighting side by side.

Unofficial History

The Blood Wolves were created through the use of Sanguinius' geneseed. The High Lords commisioned this experiment with the understanding of the Inquisition. Not all members of the Inquisition were thrilled about this experiment, with many claiming it was heretical in and of itself, however the experiment has went ahead regardless. The Blood Wolves were trained by a Cadre of Imperial Fists, explaining the reasoning of claiming that they were in fact Imperial Fists, despite having no connection whatsoever to Rogal Dorn. Several attempts by members of the Inquisition have been made to inform the Blood Angels of this experiment, though it is unclear whether any were successful, or if the Blood Angels even care. To date, no contact has been made between the Blood Angels, and the Blood Wolves.

During a Retrieval, the Master Psyker was mortally wounded. This would normally not be too much of an issue, but during the battle, he dissapeared. No trace. No hint. Nothing was left. It is presumed he is lost to Chaos. Though many wonder why he didn't try to take more with him if he did turn. No further record of him exists.

Homeworld

Sgil, a horrid, ruined, desecrated hive world has been part of the Imperium for many years. However it's residents feel that it has largely been forgotten by the Imperium, as they're world rots and decays. This is where the Blood Wolves call home. And where they find thier recruits. Those who survive long enough on Sgil have typically survived due to simply being better. Better fighters, better tacticians, better at hiding. Regardless of the ability, they all have something to bring to the Blood Wolves.

Beliefs

The Blood Wolves believe, that Knowledge is indeed power. Though that power is not for them. They are the protectors. Those who seek out the knowledge that has been lost. This is what has shaped thier view on the Emperor, the Imperium, and the Citizens.
The Emperors Knowledge is to be protected.
The Imperium are the holders of the knowledge.
The citizens are the benefactors of the knowledge.
This is how a Blood Wolf sees his duty, it is not for him to be in power, nor the Imperium, or even the Emperor himself. It is for the Citizens of the imperium to wield the power, such as the Emperor decreed it long ago, it was, after all why the Space Marines were created.

Organisation

The Blood Wolves follow the codex as written.

Combat Doctrine

Due to thier frequency to be involved in urban areas, the Blood Wolves have adopted a policy of limiting the use of explosives in certain areas. This is due to thier own mission to retrieve knowledge, equipment etc... And enables them to avoid unnessecary damage, that could destroy whatever relic that they were looking for, or defending.

Geneseed

Officialy Rogal Dorn's
Unofficially Sanguinus'

Battlecry

That which is lost, is now gone for ever. That which has been stolen, is now awaiting retrieval.

[Myxx]

Not bad. I think you have done a nice job of tying things together. I do have one question though: what is with the one black foot?

 

 

YAAAARRR, BOOOOKKKSSSS!

[Wolfy1322]

Not bad. I think you have done a nice job of tying things together. I do have one question though: what is with the one black foot?

 

 

Ermm... honestly I have no idea, when I initially started painting them with a proper colour scheme, that's how I made it look. It looks better on models than it does on the painter.

 

As an example, this is the basic colour scheme for the Blood Wolves

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4503/bloodwolvestroops.th.png

1st is Tactical

2nd is Assault

3rd is Devestator

4th is Elite/Sergeant

5th is HQ

[Shinzaren]

Fair warning before I start. I'm just gonna run through this and call it as I see it ;)

 

 

The Blood Wolves origins are shrouded in secrecy and deciept.

Deceit.

 

For most, they have kept this pull in check. Some, however have not been so lucky, and have succumb to the madness that is the red thirst. Some fall even further with the memories of Sanguinius invading thier mind.

Succumbed.

Their.

 

There is a belief that these flaws are simply a byproduct of the geneseed, however, there is also thought that it has a large ammount to do with the insaguination process the Blood Angels and thier successors use, along with the tales of sanguinus' death.

Careful. Insanguination isn't something everyone knows about. Not only that, but all the tales of the Black Rage and Red Thirst are just that; tales. This intro section could be rewritten to make it clear that only the uppermost echelons are familiar with these facts, and that only the uppermost echelons are familiar with this experiment.

 

 

The Blood Wolves have a short history, due largely in part of being a 26th founding chapter. Being of Rogal Dorn geneseed, the Blood Wolves are devout in their search for lost and forgotten knowledge and technology of the Imperium.

This has nothing to do with Gene-seed. Gene-seed doesn't factor in at all when determining whether or not a Chapter is tech-savvy or not.

 

This partnership works well for both parties, though many other chapters dislike the Blood Wolves due to this partnership. Several other chapters are indeed sceptical of thier lineage as well, as they have the betcher's gland and sus-an membrane. Neither of which are produced by Dorn's geneseed. Nevertheless, the inquisition and the High lords maintain that they are indeed of Dorn stock.

Most chapters wouldn't even care. Indifference is much more likely. Same to be said of the Sus'An and Betchers. It's not an issue that other Astartes would be concerned about, definitely the Inquisition though. And as the Inquisition is concerned, they wouldn't know as a organization. A few selected Inquisitors would know. And, working in conjunction with the HLoT, they would observe and protect the Blood Wolves. The majority of Inquisitors would still be very keen on investigating them. That should be a very important aspect. Inquisitors would definitely be after them. Other Inquisitors would be trying to block this and protect the experiment.

 

The Blood Wolves have retrieved many terminals, and schematics for the Imperium, along with defending several outposts which held sensitive material. It was during one of these defenses that the Chapter master was wounded. They were to defend the outpost with help from another chapter, the Night Fangs. But the Night Fangs betrayed the Blood Wolves, mortally wounding the Chapter Master in the process. Later, the Night Fangs claimed no knowledge of the incident and insisted that it was a rogue company. For reasons unknown to the Blood Wolves, the Night Fangs are still considered loyal. To this day, the Blood Wolves despise being in the same system as them, let alone fighting side by side.

What does this add? What does it mean? Why mention it all during the IA?

 

The Blood Wolves were created through the use of Sanguinius' geneseed. The High Lords commisioned this experiment with the understanding of the Inquisition. Not all members of the Inquisition were thrilled about this experiment, with many claiming it was heretical in and of itself, however the experiment has went ahead regardless.

No. This isn't how the Imperium works. The High Lords would let as few people know as possible, and would keep it a secret. This would avoid the issue you just mentioned. Only the selected Inquisitors chosen to monitor the Chapter would have any idea, the rest would be obliviously. As it should be.

 

The Blood Wolves were trained by a Cadre of Imperial Fists, explaining the reasoning of claiming that they were in fact Imperial Fists, despite having no connection whatsoever to Rogal Dorn. Several attempts by members of the Inquisition have been made to inform the Blood Angels of this experiment, though it is unclear whether any were successful, or if the Blood Angels even care. To date, no contact has been made between the Blood Angels, and the Blood Wolves.

Again. No. The Inquisitors that would know would be sworn to secrecy, and telling ANYONE would be tantamount to Heresy. This isn't how they work. Don't play up the fact that everyone knows.

 

During a Retrieval, the Master Psyker was mortally wounded. This would normally not be too much of an issue, but during the battle, he dissapeared. No trace. No hint. Nothing was left. It is presumed he is lost to Chaos. Though many wonder why he didn't try to take more with him if he did turn. No further record of him exists.

What does this add? Why? Don't add stuff that has no importance. Stuff like this.

 

The Blood Wolves believe, that Knowledge is indeed power. Though that power is not for them. They are the protectors. Those who seek out the knowledge that has been lost. This is what has shaped thier view on the Emperor, the Imperium, and the Citizens.

The Emperors Knowledge is to be protected.

The Imperium are the holders of the knowledge.

The citizens are the benefactors of the knowledge.

This is how a Blood Wolf sees his duty, it is not for him to be in power, nor the Imperium, or even the Emperor himself. It is for the Citizens of the imperium to wield the power, such as the Emperor decreed it long ago, it was, after all why the Space Marines were created.

Reword this sentence, and clean it up. Perhaps like so:

"The Blood Wolves believe that knowledge is indeed power, though that power is not for them. They are the protectors, those who seek out the knowledge that has been lost. This has shaped their view on the Emperor. the Imperium, and its citizens. They believe the following:

• The Emperor's knowledge is to be protected.
  
• The Imperium is the keep of this knowledge.
  
• The citizens are the beneficiaries of this knowledge.
  

This is how the Blood Wolves see their duty. It is not for them to be in power, nor the Imperium, nor even the Emperor himself. It is for the citizens of the Imperium to wield the power. This is after all, the Emperor's own long ago decree, and the reason the Astartes were created.

Due to thier frequency to be involved in urban areas, the Blood Wolves have adopted a policy of limiting the use of explosives in certain areas. This is due to thier own mission to retrieve knowledge, equipment etc... And enables them to avoid unnessecary damage, that could destroy whatever relic that they were looking for, or defending.

This is fine, though the you could probably eliminate the first part. The explosive reduction makes sense without the Urban Combat. Which is still an issue for me, obviously...

 

Well, it's a definite improvement, that's for sure. Spelling and grammatical mistakes are littered through out, but the feel of the IA and the content is much better. Keep it up.