Does anyone think that Lufgt Huron got a raw deal?

[brother heckengar]

Did anyone else felt like Lufgt Huron got a raw deal? It seems he was doing the right thing, and try to get help but was shutdown by Terra. I can see why some marines sided with him, in the begining I would have but killing other marines could be a deal breaker.

[Marshal Rohr]

I totally see it from Huron's point of view. He tried to do the right thing over and over but kept getting shut down by the High Lords who thought that the status quo in the Maelstrom Zone was fine. Incredibly frustrating and it makes me wonder why the Space Marines dont unite walk to Terra and throw all twelve from a high building.

[Valkyrion]

Sort of, but you have to respect the ultimate rulers of the Imperium and whatever decision they make.

Their authority is absolute and must be respected. Like a football referee who might make a bad call, but in the end his decision is final.

He should have played ball with regards to his tithes especially, as that would have at least pacified the admin and kept petitioning.

 

His ideas weren't wrong, just ill conceived.

 

But it doesn't really happen. A big enough push by, say, 100 full strength chapters (just 10% of all chapters) could probably wipe out the Tau Empire, but aside from upsetting Tau players, the politics of it is too big and the thought of a single overall commander in charge of 100,000 space marines is probably terrifying.

 

Same principle really. Huron really wanted to be in command of 10000+ strong legion, and that cannot be allowed, no matter how just the cause.

[Marshal Rohr]

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... :)

[Dosjetka]

And imagine all the rebellions and problems if the HLoT got killed by Astartes. It would apocalyptic. :)

 

Ludovic

[Allerka]

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... :)

Well, they get away with that by being spread all over the galaxy, so it's not like Helbrecht is directly in charge of all ~6000 at any given moment (and I imagine, even if he said, "Everyone go here!" it'd take years for all the different groups to show up).

 

I assume all the talk of Huron is in regards to the new material in IA:9. It sounds like something I really need to pick up.

[Valkyrion]

It's worth reading for the information, but FW really need to hire a proofreader.

[Marshal Rohr]

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... ;)

Well, they get away with that by being spread all over the galaxy, so it's not like Helbrecht is directly in charge of all ~6000 at any given moment (and I imagine, even if he said, "Everyone go here!" it'd take years for all the different groups to show up).

 

I assume all the talk of Huron is in regards to the new material in IA:9. It sounds like something I really need to pick up.

 

Maybe thats the method to prevent the madness ;)

[Dosjetka]

It's worth reading for the information, but FW really need to hire a proofreader.

Why so? Too many typo mistakes? ;)

[Gree]

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... ;)

 

It's hard to lead an entire chapter to damnation, when said entire chapter is spread all over the galaxy.

Edited October 21, 2010 by Gree

[Marshal Rohr]

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... ;)

 

It's hard to lead an entire chapter to damnation, when said entire chapter is spread all over the galaxy.

The High Marshal commands around 6000, yet not a single High Marshal has led the Chapter to damnation, so it can be done..... if your faith is sufficient.... :)

Well, they get away with that by being spread all over the galaxy, so it's not like Helbrecht is directly in charge of all ~6000 at any given moment (and I imagine, even if he said, "Everyone go here!" it'd take years for all the different groups to show up).

 

I assume all the talk of Huron is in regards to the new material in IA:9. It sounds like something I really need to pick up.

 

Maybe thats the method to prevent the madness ;)

[Gree]

I already read that post. I just like putting in my own words.

[Hemal]

Huron may be cast in a sympathetic light in this literature, but at the end of the day he WAS a nutter/egomaniac who should never even have been allowed to become a Space Marine let alone reach the ranks of chapter command.

[PorridgeMeister]

Huron may be cast in a sympathetic light in this literature, but at the end of the day he WAS a nutter/egomaniac who should never even have been allowed to become a Space Marine let alone reach the ranks of chapter command.

 

You could say that about Horus but that's another story...

 

For those who play fantasy

Has anybody noticed that there's a Council of Thirteen for the Skaven in Warhammer Fantasy and in 40k, there are 12 High Lords of the Imperium plus the Emperor (ie 13)?

[Allerka]

Huron may be cast in a sympathetic light in this literature, but at the end of the day he WAS a nutter/egomaniac who should never even have been allowed to become a Space Marine let alone reach the ranks of chapter command.

 

You could say that about Horus but that's another story... :P

 

For those who play fantasy

Has anybody noticed that there's a Council of Thirteen for the Skaven in Warhammer Fantasy and in 40k, there are 12 High Lords of the Imperium plus the Emperor (ie 13)?

Meh. I don't see any correlation besides the similar number, which is hardly significant.

[brother heckengar]

But he didn`t have that many, only around 3500 and that included the Tiger Claws one hundred. Im just saying that they send the chapter out to a place no one could handle, and he did a good job there. He wanted some marines to finish the war so that trade could flow freely and stop the raiding of the planets.

[calgar101]

It makes for an interesting read and shows us his side of the story and makes us think and question. Remember though that the road to hell is paved with good intentions B)

[Pig Of Sparta]

What calgar101 said is very true. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. However I think, having read IA:9 that what Huron was trying to do was to raise sufficient marine forces to allow him to complete the task that he had been set (to pacify the Maelstrom zone) but that he kept being prevented from achieving whenever he was on a roll.

 

Everytime he was on the verge of a major victory or success, the High Lords would redirect his military resources basically hanging him out to dry. He was also goaded and set up by a the Imperial Governor of a planet in a neighbouring sector. In the end I think he lost it because he was so sick of everyone stopping him from achieveing what he saw as the Emperor's will.

 

Perhaps though in IA:10 more malign motives might be seen but for now, I believe he just decided to do the things he did as he was fed up of the hypocrisy and inadequecies of the Imperium.

 

my 2

 

James

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i think pig of sparta might have the right idea, lets not go all "a thousand sons" here and start making conclusions from only half the story...

 

WLK

[NightrawenII]

Huron may be cast in a sympathetic light in this literature, but at the end of the day he WAS a nutter/egomaniac who should never even have been allowed to become a Space Marine let alone reach the ranks of chapter command.

Agreed.

Recently, there is worrisome trend of making villains into guys with good intentions turning bad.