veidin Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Im sure this has come up before but looking for an answer. I know this can occur in other armies but in particular for a discussion a friend of mine are having I will ask about Blood Angels in specific. Can the honor guard take a loadout of Storm Shields and Melta Guns. If so I know the melta is 2 handed so if fired will the unit lose the Storm Shield benefit? If they cant take these 2 items in conjunction than disregard that question. Thanks in advance for anyone who knows. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 There is no such things as a "two-handed" gun. As long as they can perform the wargear substitutions required to take that loadout, then it is perfectly fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Well, going by the old 'hands' definition a Meltagun IS twohanded, and theres even rules for what that means in the assault section of the rulebook. You dont get +1 attack when using it in conjunction with another weapon in assault. Stormshields have a similar rule, but never have been considered to be 2 handed, even when labeling 'hands' was common practice. There is no issue with your opponent using Meltagun and Stormshield on a marine in the same turn when it comes to the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus of Baal Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 It should be noted that we can't take an entire loadout of this equipment because we can't give the Sanguinary Novitiate anything. (No, I'm totally not still pissed off about that. Whatever would give you that idea? :) ) Otherwise, yeah, we totally could. And, yeah, we would take the 3+ Invulnerable save even while firing our meltaguns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Meh, same as C:SM there, dont know what you expected. Meh, same as C:SM there, dont know what you expected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Nothing in the rules prevents you from taking a meltagun and a storm shield on each model; whether this is a good idea or not is something for the tactica forum (I'm not a fan of this idea). I feel like there's some unfortunately disregarded, unwritten, but strongly implied handedness rule in Warhammer 40k. For instance, there are weapons (the BA codex relic blade replacement, for example) that specifically state they take two-hands. If your weapon does not do this (ie Melta guns do not say anything about handedness, and Storm Shields say only that you can never receive the offhand bonus attack in CC, nothing about a hand) then you have no issue. Unclear on the surface, but not so bad. Just annoying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thade, its not unwritten- pg. 42 states the rules for 2 handed close combat weapons. 4rth paragraph, right hand column, second sentence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thade, its not unwritten- pg. 42 states the rules for 2 handed close combat weapons. 4rth paragraph, right hand column, second sentence. Really?! How did I miss that. You have my all itchin to get my hands on my rulebook now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearersOfSalvation Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thade, its not unwritten- pg. 42 states the rules for 2 handed close combat weapons. 4rth paragraph, right hand column, second sentence. And those rules just prevent you from using a second weapon to get a bonus attack (which the storm shield prevents anyway), they don't prevent the use of a storm shield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 The heading for that paragraph says 'Fighting with two single handed weapons' wich probly threw you off :P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 You're probably right, GM. I feel like I've read that page a few dozen times, each time for some different rules conundrum. Time to throw another one onto the fire. Slightly off-topic, whenever I'm on the OR board now I keep thinking of the new Fantasy rules and what that sort of implies for the future of 40k rules. I'm excited...but the vets at my club keep tellin me "Two years". Oye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 You have my all itchin to get my hands on my rulebook now. You should see a doctor about that. And stay far away from me on club nights until you get it cleared up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2542974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 You're probably right, GM. I feel like I've read that page a few dozen times, each time for some different rules conundrum. Time to throw another one onto the fire. Slightly off-topic, whenever I'm on the OR board now I keep thinking of the new Fantasy rules and what that sort of implies for the future of 40k rules. I'm excited...but the vets at my club keep tellin me "Two years". Oye. I hope to all the gods in heaven that it means nothing at all. Id rather prefer if Matt Ward didnt stomp on 40k 6th edition... but thats another thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213640-storm-shields-and-melta-guns-for-ba-honor-guard-loadout/#findComment-2543029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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