Newbie Question No 56667437438 ( probably! )

[trev55555]

Hello there fellow fenrisians,

My first hopefully not stupid question for you guys (and there will be lots more to come methinks)

Iam just starting to asemble my Space wolf armie (havent even played a game yet)

Having made and painted 1 drop pod (it came it the Battle force box, and i think might not ever get used)

and a 10 man pack of blood claw + 1 powerfist <ok ?

5 man pack of scouts + 1 heavy bolter <ok ?

I have made and basecoated a pack of 10 grey hunters +2 plasma guns,,,,, i have allso given 2 of the hunters power fists, is this ilegal ???? (i was goin to assign a wolfguard to each pack, my thinking was to equip each wolfguard with a pack specific type of weapon, ie the wolfguard with the blood claw pack was goin to get a chainfist and so on and so on)

I think maybe ive made a big mistake glueing on 2 powerfists onto my grey hunters since ive only just realised that grehunters are obviously a medium firering kinda pack ????

so there ya go, any answers most eagerly awaited and appreciated thanks.

[Spazmonkey]

No you cant have 2 power fists in a GH pack without a WG. But if you use that second PF model as a WG then no issue.

 

As to the scouts. To be honest there is nothing wrong with having one with the HB I honestly would use a melta gun instead. Get behind their lines and bust tanks....

but thats a personal opinion..... each to thier own.

[Max_Dammit]

fists are no longer the option to take, you only get one attack once locked in CC, most fists go to the wolfguard as they have 2 basic attacks, You can no longer have 2 fists in one GH unit but you can split it in to 2 5 man packs with a fist in each group and a plasma gun, but most GH are 10 men, 1 power weapon and 2 plasma/melta guns.

 

I'v never seen a SW scout with a heavy bolter, they can be used as such but most use them to com up from behind and start dealing death, with the heavy bolter, you wont be shooting it the turn you come on the table, and you wont be around the next round if the enemy is wise

 

I wouldnt put a TDA in a Bloodclaw pack, as it losses the catchup and destroy ability and as there not a anti tank unit in general the chainfist wont have any use.

 

But thats just me :D

[CainTheHunter]

If those two GH with fists look wolfy enough, then just use them as Wolf guard pack leaders for GH packs. And give them combimelta as the second weapon.

HB with scouts is not good choice, I'd rather give them meltagun, as was suggested. The guy with chainfist - the terminator - can still be used as a Lone Wolf, providing You wish to try him and have a spare elite slot (not using any dreadnoughts).

[nurglez]

I find a nice choice for grey hunter squads is wolf standard and mark of the wulfen.

 

quite a few people run 8 man squads with 1 melta, and assign a wolf guard with a combi melta and a powerfist, while leaving space for a rune priest to join.

 

rhino's are also generally considered a "must", as it gives your guys more speed and more survivability, and also some mobile cover.

 

A good place to look is the army list forum, look up some lists, and see what other people use and how they use them, not saying that you must copy them, but it can help

[Ulriks Minion]

If those two GH with fists look wolfy enough, then just use them as Wolf guard pack leaders for GH packs. And give them combimelta as the second weapon.

HB with scouts is not good choice, I'd rather give them meltagun, as was suggested. The guy with chainfist - the terminator - can still be used as a Lone Wolf, providing You wish to try him and have a spare elite slot (not using any dreadnoughts).

I dont think he said he had any teminators, I agree about the scouts havin the melta and the fact that you can use the GH with the PF would be pretty cool wolf guards

[Max_Dammit]

he's talking chainfist. what else would he be talking about

[CainTheHunter]

he's talking chainfist. what else would he be talking about ;)

 

 

My point, exactly

[Ulriks Minion]

he's talking chainfist. what else would he be talking about ;)

 

 

My point, exactly :(

Theys no termie come in with the battleforce la

[Max_Dammit]

no chainfists either :)

[trev55555]

no chainfists either :)

well wow... thanks fa all the helpful replies guys and all the astute observations....

whoever said termi's dont come in the battle force, yup of course u r correct,

i have bought a box of termies and hav yet to asemble them.

i have also bought a dreadnought, canis wolfbourn ( bought him fa my girlfriend to paint cos she liked the look of him:)

and 1 devestator squad to 'wolf up' with any leftover bits.

and 1 land raider ( not sure yet whether to make a crusader or redeemer)

I am kinda enjoying working out all the points costs of my packs ( quite complicated, but then again ive only myself to blame )

i dont mind cutting the arms off my powerfisted GH's and putting meltas on instead,

( quite how to do this iam not sure, i didnt get any meltas in any of the box sets i bought....? (would it be aceptable to fellow gamers if i made my own version of a melta ?)

i have shied away from flamers in any of my squads ( flamers seem a bit to cruel in my eyes , more like torture than a good ol clean kill , but then death by chainsword wouldnt be painless or quick, would it lol < flippin hypocrit aint i .

 

ps WHAT IS TDA ? (blumin abreviations, i am not up to speed on em yet !) -_-

[CainTheHunter]

TDA is an abbreviation for models in Tactical Dreadnought Armor, otherwise know as terminator armor -_- And You don't need to chop away hands with powefist models - actually, what You have to do is keep the power fist arm and convert a combi-melta bolter on the other. You can try to search for combimelta bits - but is very tricky adventure because these things appear on bits sites or e-bay for a very short time or are extremely expensive. Or do them Yourself, by cutting meltagun barrel and gluing in on the bolter. Metal meltaguns can be bought from GW online

 

And welcome to the Fang, by the way :)

[trev55555]

-_- cheers cain just off to check out the links ( ta v much)

[Max_Dammit]

these are the 2 best ways to get melta's

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1400031

 

These are metal but that shouldnt be a problem, i'v never had one tip over ^_^

 

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod150001a

 

This is the old 3th ed sw conversion pack, still love these to death and gives you some extra options for conversion, but only comes with one melta gun.

[trev55555]

thanks to all who have so far contributed to my questions.. well iam off ta bed to contemplate till i fall asleep ( any more ideas like those allready expressed will b most wellcome)

[nurglez]

personally, I prefer the redeemer over the crusader, but i dont normally run squads larger then 12 with a wg and a runepriest/other power armoured IC, so the extra seats are wasted, and the wep load out, a bunch of bolters, woo, I prefer my landraider to strike fear into the heart of my enemies, up until it gets destroyed by a lucky hit of course.

 

A lot of people will say dont take 1, take 2, it all depends on who you are playing against and what theme you want, its your force play how you want to ;)

[amrogers3]

Welcome! I know this game can be rather intimidating at first. Back when I got into it, there were only a few armies. Now there are Tau, Sisters of Battle, Necrons, Dark Eldar, etc etc. You have to create an army that can take on all of these cause you never know who you might be battling against. Anyway, you came to the right place, everyone here is really helpful. And you picked a good army. Space Wolves are the best.

[trev55555]

Welcome! I know this game can be rather intimidating at first. Back when I got into it, there were only a few armies. Now there are Tau, Sisters of Battle, Necrons, Dark Eldar, etc etc. You have to create an army that can take on all of these cause you never know who you might be battling against. Anyway, you came to the right place, everyone here is really helpful. And you picked a good army. Space Wolves are the best.

thanks bud any more sugestions would be most wellcome,

say reguarding canis wolfborn < should i field some fenrisian wolves with him?

i like the idea and look of dreanoughts < what is the the most versitile weapon loadout for one lone dreadnought ?

longfangs ( pack of 5)<what is the the most versatile weapon loadout?

has anyone madeup any iron priests ? are they anygood? and thrall servitors to go with him ?

[Spazmonkey]

thanks bud any more sugestions would be most wellcome,

say reguarding canis wolfborn < should i field some fenrisian wolves with him?

i like the idea and look of dreanoughts < what is the the most versitile weapon loadout for one lone dreadnought ?

longfangs ( pack of 5)<what is the the most versatile weapon loadout?

has anyone madeup any iron priests ? are they anygood? and thrall servitors to go with him ?

 

You will get mixed repies on Fen wolves, personally i like them.

Last night i played a 1100 point game with a pack of Ten, by turn 2 they assaulted a pack of Long Fangs (SW vs SW)

The wolves tied the LF up for 3 rounds and managed to get the LF squad to 2 men, but was counter assaulted by a RP and his 1 remaining GH.

 

I would never use less than 10 fen wolves though, other wise there is no real point in taking them.

 

But that is a great success, they well made their point back and also managed to distract a Rune priest.

Just be careful as they really dont like to be rapid fired (use all the cover you can.

 

Have a play with lone wolves too, my TDA, chain fist and storm shield lone wolf popped a Land raider last night on the first turn of assault.

[Hellrender]

For dreadnought i would go for: multimelta, dreadnought close combat weapon + heavy flamer, and a drop pod. now u keep him cheap, you can pop him in the enemy deployment zone, and the multimelta can go right away to work.

[CainTheHunter]

For dreadnought i would go for: multimelta, dreadnought close combat weapon + heavy flamer, and a drop pod. now u keep him cheap, you can pop him in the enemy deployment zone, and the multimelta can go right away to work.

 

 

Except that this is a suicide dread and unless supported by wolf scouts, bikers or other fast stuff, it's bound to go down, because of the reaction which it usually provokes from the opponent: "argh, I have an AV12 walker with multimelta in my deployment zone!!!!"

[Hellrender]

true. So depends a bit what else you have. I personally have more in DP with fast support ofc.

[Wysten]

Chainfists? I made my own just to see whether I could. Heheh, cut off the chainsword just at the hand guard and glued it under. Though chances are theres easil enough chainfists on the internet without replacing a perfectly good fist.

 

As for dreadnorts, Mult-Melta is bad. Give him 2 auto cannons, auto cannon and plasma or plasma and close combat weapon, or a lascannon and something else. Dropping your Dread in Melta range seems a pretty silly thing to do considering they can be equiped with better, twinlinked firearms that does not put them into the danger zone. There are better places to stick melta, Land Speeders are only 70 points for one with Heavy Flamer and Mult-Melta. Wolf scouts only cost a little more then the speeder, for the ablity to assualt as well. When it comes down to it, Mult-dreads don't last long, if they do, it's pretty lucky.

 

That being said, drop podding them is cool, producable cover and goot side shots make it well worth it, just even then I would try and keep away.

[trev55555]

Chainfists? I made my own just to see whether I could. Heheh, cut off the chainsword just at the hand guard and glued it under. Though chances are theres easil enough chainfists on the internet without replacing a perfectly good fist.

 

As for dreadnorts, Mult-Melta is bad. Give him 2 auto cannons, auto cannon and plasma or plasma and close combat weapon, or a lascannon and something else. Dropping your Dread in Melta range seems a pretty silly thing to do considering they can be equiped with better, twinlinked firearms that does not put them into the danger zone. There are better places to stick melta, Land Speeders are only 70 points for one with Heavy Flamer and Mult-Melta. Wolf scouts only cost a little more then the speeder, for the ablity to assualt as well. When it comes down to it, Mult-dreads don't last long, if they do, it's pretty lucky.

 

That being said, drop podding them is cool, producable cover and goot side shots make it well worth it, just even then I would try and keep away.

 

thanks fa ya insightful comment wysten..

well so far ive decided to put my BCs in a crusader with maybe a WP and a WG and maybe a RP and a IC that would leave room for another blood claw < iam i rite ?

gonna put my pack of GH in A RHINO < ok methinks ?

" " " " " WG " " DROP POD ( close combat orientated chaps that they are )

........am in the process of painting my 5x LF + 1 Sq L and lovin it..

just played my first killteam game against my son and his (painted by my girlfriend) Chaos marine army ... neither of us had played before ... chucked a white sheet over the dining table .... mixed some flour and water on a old takeaway lid, stuck some tiny twigs into the mixture and cooked on max power in the microwave .........

........( with cookery advice from my 10 year old ( orc modeler and painter " this orky is purple with black spots because .......its ..... funnnnnny daddy !! " daughter ) ..............

...... landscaped our first forrest ) added a few upturned various black plastic flower pots as towers and seed trays as buildings.... and needless to say a pleasant afternoon was past ( damn gotta go buy a blinkin orc codex fa my daughter now!!!!).

yet to build my standard dreadnought and am just waiting till saturday ( xmas ) to find out what "she" has got for me.

 

thanks to everyone on this site very informative fa a ol newbie like me

trev

ps ... whats the difference between a tyhpoon and a huricane ? ta in advance :devil:

[Twipp]

Welcome Trev another "Blood claw" here too :)

 

I am using a Land raider Crusader with Blood Claws seems quite nice combo with Wolf Priest.

 

Someone mentioned how to aquare Melta-guns and i can add that when i bought a Long Fang miniatures i think that there were 2,plastic meltaguns in it, quite wierd but nice. :)

Long Fangs can bequite nice Heavy choise BTW

 

When i started to build the models i desided to first build the Grey Hunters, because those are usually the core of Space Wolf army. I also painted them before the rest of my miniatures(that way i had more time to learn what "special" characters i want to use, not painting something just to notice that i dont want to use it in my list.). Theres a bigger change that you deside to change a lonelly Dreadnought away from your list, than 10 Grey Hunters. It was a bit shame with my case when i painted my Dreadnought quite nicelly but then desided to not use it in my list.Oh well Maybe in my future list.

 

And when you are starting read the codex quite frequently, it helps you not to build wrong combinations,but dont be afraid i think it is common to make those kinda mistakes. I myself builded 5 Blood Claws with Bolters and then i noticed that they cant use one.

 

 

PS: You mean Typhoon and CYLONE missile launchers? If so then the Typhoon is for the Land speeders and that Cyclone is for those Wolf Guards, i think it requires Terminator armor.

 

Huricane is a sponsor bolter system in Land raider Crusader