An interesting note about the destruction of Chapters

[Octavulg]

As of the 26th Founding, C:SM 3e, page 47, says that 63 Chapters have been lost. 13 have been lost in the Warp, 21 have suffered irrevocable battle losses, 9 have suffered gene-seed failure, 4 Inquisitorial purge, and 16 other Circumstances.

 

Of those, we know that the Flame Falcons are one of the four who suffered Inquisitorial purge (though their purge could possibly be attributed to geneseed issues). The Star Scorpions and Wolf Brothers would fit in the 9 that have suffered geneseed failure. The Fire Hawks would have been lost in the Warp.

 

So that's 12 LITW, 21 BL, 6/7 GSF, 3/4 IP and 16 ? unaccounted for.

 

Just for information. :)

[calgar101]

In the lastet IA book it mentions that 51(around there) have been destroyed in 500 years... The Imperium must rebuild lost chapters quite quickly and has gotten quite good at it :) Also its said in multiple places that theres 1000 chapters.. is that the maximum allowed or can there be more?

[Shinzaren]

So, my chapter was lost in the Warp after suffering irrevocable losses during an Inquisitorial purge brought on by gene-seed failure... What category do I fall in?

[Octavulg]

calgar101:

 

In the lastet IA book it mentions that 51(around there) have been destroyed in 500 years... The Imperium must rebuild lost chapters quite quickly and has gotten quite good at it tongue.gif Also its said in multiple places that theres 1000 chapters.. is that the maximum allowed or can there be more?

 

I've never been that fond of the IA books. Mostly because their grasp of numbers often seems weak.

 

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Shinzaren:

 

So, my chapter was lost in the Warp after suffering irrevocable losses during an Inquisitorial purge brought on by gene-seed failure... What category do I fall in?

 

Depends. Was it "geneseed failure because you're all nuts" or "geneseed failure because your geneseed now sucks"? I'd vote geneseed failure, myself. That's why you're not a Chapter any more.

[Ferrus Manus]

Black Consuls would be one under 'irrevocable battle losses' as was the Astral Knights (I think) who destroyed a massive Necron Tombship in the new Codex.

[Octavulg]

Scythes of the Emperor, too, maybe...

[Aqui]

Are the Lamenters Chapter classified under "irrevocable battle losses" with only approximately three Companies left? If not what would the criteria (as in numbers) be to be counted as such? One hundred or less?

[Octavulg]

Chapters which are no longer extant, logically. If they're still functional, they're not destroyed. QED.

[God Of War]

So, my chapter was lost in the Warp after suffering irrevocable losses during an Inquisitorial purge brought on by gene-seed failure... What category do I fall in?

Other Circumstances

[The Normish]

So, what would "Other Circumstances" be? What's left out there that can wipe out a Chapter?

They just decided to become farmers? Heresy? What?

[Octavulg]

Left on a quest beyond the galactic rim. Pacifism. Merger with other Chapters (it evidently can happen - it was mentioned in passing in the 3e rulebook).

 

But methinks heresy would be the biggest one. Spat on their oaths, raised digits unto the Imperium and wandered into the nearest warp storm and came back with eight-pointed stars on their armor.

[The Normish]

raised digits unto the Imperium

Incidentally, on a nearly unrealted note, why is it that the British do the index and middle finger, and the rest of the Western world uses the middle finger alone (in French we call it "le doigt d'honneur", the finger of honor).

 

Yeah, Iw as thinking the moment I wrote "Heresy" that that would be the biggest cause. Though I can't really see how pacifism would work for them. They're eight foot tall super beings. They stick out like, well, "doigt d'honneur"s. And they can spit acid. Not really sure how they can avoid being weapons in some way. Perhaps we're all just too used to the "there is only war" to imagine peace?

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Incidentally, on a nearly unrealted note, why is it that the British do the index and middle finger, and the rest of the Western world uses the middle finger alone (in French we call it "le doigt d'honneur", the finger of honor).

 

It comes from when the French and English were warring during the middle ages. The English Longbowmen were particularly lethal and, compared to the knights they shot down, were commoners too and when captured by the french would have their index and middle finger cut off so they could no longer draw an arrow. Hence whenever the english archers were given the opportunity to taunt the french they would raise their uninjured two fingers in a kind of 'f*** you* gesture.

 

Well, that's the story at least.

 

They just decided to become farmers?

 

Just think of how many they could feed being able to continue working almost non-stop with such great strength! ;)

[Octavulg]

Normish:

 

Incidentally, on a nearly unrealted note, why is it that the British do the index and middle finger, and the rest of the Western world uses the middle finger alone (in French we call it "le doigt d'honneur", the finger of honor).

 

Ydalir's summation is the popular legend. And it's far too awesome not to be true.

 

In regards to why others use the middle finger...it's probably sexual. And that's about it for that topic, I think.

 

Yeah, Iw as thinking the moment I wrote "Heresy" that that would be the biggest cause. Though I can't really see how pacifism would work for them. They're eight foot tall super beings. They stick out like, well, "doigt d'honneur"s. And they can spit acid. Not really sure how they can avoid being weapons in some way. Perhaps we're all just too used to the "there is only war" to imagine peace?

 

Step 1: Get lost so people can't find you.

Step 2: Settle down.

Step 3: Refuse to fight people.

Step 4: Get slaughtered, but die principled.

Step 5: Have your enemy die since you booby-trapped all your equipment and valuables. You're pacifists, not stupid.

 

Another explanation would be one similar to that of the Monks of Erit-Agge in Planescape - they train for the battle against entropy at the end of the universe, but until then are sworn to pacifism. There's a Chapter in C:SM 5e that reminded me of that a little.

[Ace Debonair]

Incidentally, on a nearly unrealted note, why is it that the British do the index and middle finger, and the rest of the Western world uses the middle finger alone (in French we call it "le doigt d'honneur", the finger of honor).

 

It comes from when the French and English were warring during the middle ages. The English Longbowmen were particularly lethal and, compared to the knights they shot down, were commoners too and when captured by the french would have their index and middle finger cut off so they could no longer draw an arrow. Hence whenever the english archers were given the opportunity to taunt the french they would raise their uninjured two fingers in a kind of 'f*** you* gesture.

 

Speaking as an Englishman, that's the legend I was raised on. :lol:

[Ferrata]

In the lastet IA book it mentions that 51(around there) have been destroyed in 500 years... The Imperium must rebuild lost chapters quite quickly and has gotten quite good at it tongue.gif Also its said in multiple places that theres 1000 chapters.. is that the maximum allowed or can there be more?

For this to be true, 51 of the 60 chapters must have been destroyed in the last 500 years if all of the reasons count as "destroyed". That is 85% of all lost chapters in the last 500 years (1 every 9.8 years) compared to 1 every 1222 years before that. I know things are meant to be getting bad for the Imperium but for casualties to raise by 128 times is a little stupid.

 

The Black Consuls would come under Unaccounted for, they are not known to be KIA just RAITE (Running about in the Eye)....

[NightrawenII]

calgar101:

 

In the lastet IA book it mentions that 51(around there) have been destroyed in 500 years... The Imperium must rebuild lost chapters quite quickly and has gotten quite good at it tongue.gif Also its said in multiple places that theres 1000 chapters.. is that the maximum allowed or can there be more?

 

I've never been that fond of the IA books. Mostly because their grasp of numbers often seems weak.

 

From the IA: 9 Confirms a few theories:

A few Founding dates (relative) are given here as well:

10th Founding, Mid-M35 (Astral Claws -- records contradictory according to the IA 9 book)

21st Founding, M36 (nothing new there)

23rd Founding, M37

25th Founding, M40

 

I'm not sure if this is typo or not, but it's very unlikely.

[Walter Payton]

It depends if 'Chapters lost' equates to chapters actually destroyed/disbanded or if it also includes traitors. The figure of 16 traitor chapters seems unlikely, as there are at least 16 named traitor chapters already.

[Hrvat]

...Ordo Maleus believe that as many as fifty Space Marine Chapters have fully fallen to the wilies of Chaos since the end of the Horus Heresy.

 

So in 10000 years up to 50 have fallen to Chaos.

 

In 765.M41 there have been 64 lost Chapters(3rd ed C:SM).

 

IA 9 mentions 50 chapters lost in the last 500 years.

 

 

Gloom and doom indeed.

[Myxx]

They just decided to become farmers?

 

I'm all for beating your swords into ploughshares. Cause when you hit a man with a ploughshare, he knows he's been hit!

[soddinnutter]

One way in which a Chapter could die is lack of discipline. if every marine, or small groups, decided they want to go and do their own thing then you have not got a chapter. Just a mess.

[The Shadowlord]

They just decided to become farmers?

 

...and it was then, in that field of un-harvested grain, that the Scythes of the Emperor had found their true calling.

[Nomus Sardauk]

So, my chapter was lost in the Warp after suffering irrevocable losses during an Inquisitorial purge brought on by gene-seed failure... What category do I fall in?

 

Eff'in unlucky, that's your category.