Mullinstron Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Hey guys, Just wondering if you can run The Sanguinor with an honor guard? A friend and I are having a debate if you can start him with them. ~m Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 He is not an IC, so the answer is no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2546194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchbox Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Unfortunately not. He's just a big ugly gold dart board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2546198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mullinstron Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 This was my feeling as well. My buddy was thinking that you bought them as the same unit so they start together. I dont have my codex at work but the way i "think" they work is that you buy them as their own unit and your character "can' join them. Unfortunately not. He's just a big ugly gold dart board. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA ;) ~m Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2546199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchbox Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah your right. You buy hem as a separate unit and yu attach your character to them during deployment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2546200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 My buddy was thinking that you bought them as the same unit so they start togetherYou do not by them together. Buying a HQ ALLOWS you to choose to field an Honor Guard if you wish. They are two totally seperate entries, although the HQ choice unlocks the choice to field the HG.I dont have my codex at work but the way i "think" they work is that you buy them as their own unit and your character "can' join them.That's right. But just remember that the character can only join a squad if it has the IC rule. Mephiston, the Sanguinator, and DC Psycho Tycho do not and cannot ever join a squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2546301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 If you read the rules correctly you do not have to be an indipendant character to be able to go into an honour guard if it had the retinue rule but as it stands you do. So no non indipendent chapacter can join them. The BRB states that a retinue can be attatched to any 'character' and all special characters count as characters in the BRB the problem id GW just puts the retinue rule in the rule book the doesnt give any squad the retinue rule. They are truely retarted. Short answer no you cant. But your a retinue rule away from being able to. Regards Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2547360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingareth Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 If you read the rules correctly you do not have to be an indipendant character to be able to go into an honour guard if it had the retinue rule but as it stands you do. What? Does anyone understands the babble? Where is the retinue rule coming from? Why even bring that up? So before anyone else gets it wrong, The Sanguinor can never join a unit, and the Honor Guard are a unit to themselves, which sometimes are joined by Independent Characters if they feel like it. I routinely use an Honor Guard as a Deep Striking Meltagun delivery unit. Gotta love Descent of Angels! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2547609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 If you read the rules correctly you do not have to be an indipendant character to be able to go into an honour guard if it had the retinue rule but as it stands you do. What? Does anyone understands the babble? Where is the retinue rule coming from? Why even bring that up? So before anyone else gets it wrong, The Sanguinor can never join a unit, and the Honor Guard are a unit to themselves, which sometimes are joined by Independent Characters if they feel like it. I routinely use an Honor Guard as a Deep Striking Meltagun delivery unit. Gotta love Descent of Angels! There are rules for retinues in the main rulebook mainly for old codexes but I think IG command squad counts as a retinue? But yes only a unit specifically stated to be a retinue uses these rules, and BA honour guard (amongst many others) are not a retinue they are just another separate unit save the fact you dont take up a FOC slot. Sanguinor, mephiston & psycho-tycho are non independant units of one moddel, which can never join a unit (unless i suppose they had ascess to a retinue which they dont!) nor can they ever be joined by one. Edit: I feel I should point out that this was also covered in the FAQ :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2547711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchbox Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Look at Chaplain Grimaldus He can take a retinue but is not an independant character. Likewise with IG commanders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2548813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 its a simple rules look up. doesn't matter what the rules for retinues are, the sang guard aren't a retinue simple facts, Sanguinor is an HQ choice, he is not an IC. (thus he cannot join a unit) The Sang guard are an elite entry, a unit in their own right. no where does it give the impression that Sanguinore is an upgrade (see lemartes)... this topic should not have gone on this long... it's been stated several times, there is no other interpretation of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2548825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudpuppet Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 its a simple rules look up. doesn't matter what the rules for retinues are, the sang guard aren't a retinue simple facts, Sanguinor is an HQ choice, he is not an IC. (thus he cannot join a unit) The Sang guard are an elite entry, a unit in their own right. no where does it give the impression that Sanguinore is an upgrade (see lemartes)... this topic should not have gone on this long... it's been stated several times, there is no other interpretation of this. While what you say is true. I feel i should point out that the OP is talking about Honour Guard NOT Sanguinary Guard. However, Sanguinor cant join Honour Guard either so maybe my point is moot. Mudpuppet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2548846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 true, brain gets rattled:) neither are retinues:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213956-can-you-put-sanguinor-with-an-honor-guard/#findComment-2548953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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